In a statement, Biden said that while Israel has taken responsibility for her death, the U.S. government expects continued access as the investigation continues over the circumstances of the shooting. “There must be full accountability. And Israel must do more to ensure that incidents like this never happen again,” Biden said.
When I hear that, who is Israel defending it self from if Gaza and the West Bank are not separate nations? Are they part of Israel and Israel is defending itself against itself?
‘Defend itself’ makes sense in the context of Iran or Hezbollah, but the thousands of men, women, and children killed in Gaza that are not involved in the fighting aren’t external threats. They are victims of apartheid.
More precisely the Palestinians are illegally occupied and occupied people have a right to defend themselves against the occupation.
She literally clarified that she was going to provide weapons for defense from Iran and its puppets, that she will fight for a 2 state solution, and called for a cease fire. Like a sentence later.
Jfc. Race to the bottom, though I don’t blame you when this guy is purposely taking things out of context.
To the best of my recollection she was asked in the context of Gaza and the Oct 7th attack during the debate, not attacks from Iran. The ‘Israel must defend itself’ argument comes up constantly in the context of the massive death toll in Gaza.
I know the situation is complex and foreign states like Iran fund and supply Palestinian resistance, but it seems like a an easy way to deflect criticism by changing the focus from Palestinians to hostike nations like Iran.
Biden has been saying that for the duration of the war. And everyday there’s a new war crime and all he does is repeat the same practiced sentences with no actions to back them up. Harris has given 0 indication that she would be any different. There comes a point where their words are meaningless on this topic and we are long past it.
Yeah, so who are “Iran and it’s puppets”?
July 25, after a meeting with Netanyahu
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/07/25/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-following-meeting-with-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-of-israel/
Who is fighting to stop the Israeli genocide?..
So she clarified that she’s not pro Genocide, she will just support Israels “right to defend” itself from those who actually oppose their genocide.
The rest is empty words and doublespeak. She supports Israels war against Hamas and continued funding of their genocidal apartheid state while they genocide Palestinians.
If she really wanted a ceasefire she would vow to end support if they didn’t cease fire, not keep giving them whatever they want and asking nicely that they stop
My optimistic rose tinted guess here is that it’s very tough to speak out after what happened last Oct. Hamas was wrong and went too far in that, unjustifiably so.
It’s a bit ironic, from what I understood at the time Netanyahu was forced into a coalition and losing power. Then the Oct attack happened and suddenly a bunch of folks stepped out of Netanyahu’s way and gave him full control again.
Today there are many Israelites - including family members of hostages - who think things are going too far and that Netanyahu should stop.
What happened on Oct-7?
Here’s an article explaining how Oct 7 had terrible consequences for folks in the West Bank, https://apnews.com/projects/west-bank-palestinian-teenagers-israel/
What happened on oct-7?
Edit: This is genocide apologia/victim blaming.
Gaza resistance isn’t to blame for Israels being a genocidal apartheid towards Gaza, and doubly so for the seperate region of the West Bank which Hamas doesn’t even control.
Hmm … so, there are a couple of quotes from figures serving in the IDF and such, which might be where you got that impression from.
Overall I didn’t sense this from the article - which is trying to bring to light crimes being committed in the West Bank against Palestinians in the wake of Oct 7.
I think it’s unacceptable that a kid going home from school is killed by a military sniper. It’s not the kids fault and not the fault of the community he lives in.
I think it’s worth drawing lines between these folks and the Hamas military/leadership, as well as the fighters from Hamas who participated in Oct 7.
To quote myself,
Blame is a complicated concept involving responsibility and so forth. And it goes without saying that Netanyahu and his allies and enablers remain fully responsible for their choices and decisions and actions. I am just saying that Netanyahu regaining full power and control and being able to do the things that are now happening in Gaza and the West Bank are a direct consequence of Oct 7 - as otherwise Netanyahu wouldn’t have been able to go this far.
Sadly, it turned out this didn’t matter. Once the chains folks were trying to put on Netanyahu got released in the wake of Oct 7, he and his forces came up with excuses to go dig in here as well.
Again worth quoting myself,
Just as all Gazans and West Bank folks are not part of Hamas, not all Israelites are part of the IDF or on Netanyahu’s side.
I think at this point, having read the article I sent, you’ve gotten the answer. But it’s worth restating this point - Israelites who were sympathetic to the plight of those living in the West Bank and in Gaza do exist, and even recently they tried to exert their influence to put an end to this, see for example https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israe-hamas-war-netanyahu-strike-protest-ceasefire-hostages-killed-hersh-goldberg-polin/
But from https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-parliament-approves-national-unity-government-2023-10-12/
So Oct 7 was a turning point - the folks that had the power to restrain Netanyahu gave it up after that attack and seeing their friends and family members murdered or kidnapped, and even today folks like Harris are reluctant to put the full brakes on Israel because of that attack.
The PA understood this, and hence condemned what happened, see https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-president-says-he-rejects-killing-civilians-both-sides-conflict-2023-10-12/
Today there’s no elections and thus the same opportunities to rein Netanyahu in don’t exist.
But if they did, Israel would do it, see https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240913-poll-finds-netanyahus-coalition-would-lose-power-in-an-election/