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A Thai court has ordered the dissolution of the reformist party which won the most seats and votes in last year’s election - but was blocked from forming a government.
The ruling also banned Move Forward’s charismatic, young former leader Pita Limjaroenrat and 10 other senior figures from politics for 10 years.
The verdict from the Constitutional Court was expected, after its ruling in January that Move Forward’s campaign promise to change royal defamation laws was unconstitutional.
“We” haven’t “reached the end of the useful period of conversation”, you have reached the end of your capacity or willingness to engage with what I’m saying, and I’ve laid out very clearly how you’re displaying that, and instead of engaging with the points, you fell back into passive-voiced vague notions about human working memory and the speed of language, drawing on sciency language to lend credibility to some absurd notion that nobody could possibly be expected have this conversation, but you just made that up.
We’re not at the limits of human mental capacity, you’re doing specific things that I’ve pointed out, with details, and instead of engaging with what I said in any specific way you’ve done more vague waffle that says nothing.
And if you didn’t even check what you were sending me, why are you so confident about everything you’re saying?
My sources gave very specific numbers -which I directly highlighted with quotes - about the state of the housing supply compared to the unhoused population that you completely ignored in favour of economic rationalism.
This is precisely the kind of thing orthodox economists do, and this is how economics students are taught to think. It’s a real shame, it looks like your critical thinking skills have been pretty badly sabotaged by miseducation. I’m sure you’re intelligent in many ways, but intelligence is domain specific, and if you don’t learn the kind of rigour it takes to think critically, then you won’t be able to.
This is not my first internet argument, by far. It’s not even my first that’s run this long. This always happens. Maybe I’m just dumb, or domain-specific dumb, but the fact is that political debate never works, with me involved or not. The first thing they tell you if you’re door knocking for a candidate is not to bother with debates, and you bet the politicians themselves don’t try and convert each other. Honestly, the progress we have made is pretty extraordinary.
You might be annoyed I’m not engaging with your original point, but be assured it’s deliberate. (And done without any ill-will towards you)
The thing about mental capacity is my own personal explanation for how that works, despite the fact I don’t think either of us is incapable of or unwilling to understand the truth, whatever it may be, and any logical process should have a deterministic outcome.
If you’re frustrated, sorry. I’m not worth it though. Per earlier stages of conversation, I might know people with wealth and/or power, but none of them respect my opinion.
I did engage it. The gap appears to be bigger than that (I know, you don’t believe my source), and I went into more detail about why unhoused people aren’t housed despite it being materially very easy to manage.
I didn’t read the entire paper again, because there’s only so many hours in the day. Same reason I’m not going to go looking for what I was actually thinking of now. Sorry, it’s not personal.
For what it’s worth, my college education was in pure math.
That’s literally not what I said, I said something direct and specific, something you can read in the first paragraph of that source. I believed what they were saying and I repeated it to you. I read your source back to you and you misunderstood.
This is the problem - you clearly aren’t engaging in what’s being said. If you did so directly and specifically, then maybe you could get farther, but you dissolve things into nonspecific drivel, to the point it’s just either wrong or meaningless.
It’s like if I asked you, “What’s 2+2?” and you replied, “The nature of addition is involved in the very definition of numbers, which comes from set theory. Entire books have been written on this subject before we can even define the number 2 and I couldn’t possibly cover it all, it’s just so complicated.”
Like sure, maybe that’s all true, but motherfucker, what is 2+2? You go broad and vague and mysterious with things that sometimes have simple answers.
Maybe that’s why you feel it’s pointless having conversations online. I certainly don’t find that, but I try to stay focused on the points and deal with things directly, and when someone is wasting my time I tell them so and I disengage.
Again, you seemed responsive to what I was saying at first, but when you’re talking about the limits of the “speed of language” in response to a request for details, you are clearly looking for an out. I wouldn’t spend this much time talking about this with someone if I thought it was a waste of time. I’m making the effort to give you this feedback because you’ve shown the ability to be responsive and I don’t sense any ill-will. But if you find that “this always happens”, then maybe you need to take a good look at why, and what it is that you’re doing that might cause that.