Why are we blaming voters again when a million dollar campaign loses against a historically unpopular criminal insurrectionist president… ?
The campaign has the power to pander to voters if it’s clear they can’t win without doing so, they just refuse to and instead are comfortably riding the threat of Trump to the finish line without offering a single thing more.
Your fellow voters that conscientiously object to genocide, are not your enemy. You are being failed by the Democrats, and you are enabling this genocidal policy by directing your anger at the voters instead of pressuring your candidate to change it. If they lose, it’s a strategic failure and they are the only ones to blame for it.
New flash- almost everyone objects to genocide. You don’t belong do some grassroots movement of high-minded academics that somehow managed to figure out that genocide is bad.
And that’s what people who vote for Harris are doing. Because they understand how things work. You’re free to throw away your vote in protest of things that have been going on since before you ever could point to Palestine on a map…
but the rest of us are going to try our best to ensure you continue to have the rights to be able to do that. Do be sure to accuse me of supporting genocide on the way out. It does wonders to garner support for your ideology.
Acting like you’re superior and “understand how things work” better than anyone else, not recognizing the obvious wedge being driven between democratic voters and left-wing voters whom we otherwise agree with, is also doing wonders for your side. I’m sure your vote will make the difference in protecting rights that the Democrats have done absolutely nothing to defend in the face of power grabs and media smears from the right. I’m certain that the Democrats will do the right thing, just out of the goodness and JOY of their hearts, nevermind that their power is guaranteed by the Republicans being a worse option.
Never said you were supporting it, I said you were enabling it. If you want to conflate the two to protect your ego then that’s up to you.
If understanding how things work is what makes a person superior, you probably don’t want to be shitting on it, but maybe trying to get there yourself.
But I don’t feel as if I’m in any way superior because I get how the real world works. I do however, feel superior because I don’t accuse people of shit they aren’t doing, like say…. sUpPoRtiNG gEnoCiDe!
What I see here a lot though, is what seems to be a bunch of smug and arrogant people sitting on high, casting aspersions at others because they support someone that is doing their best to ensure we keep our democracy.
What I see, are people willing to throw away votes over single-issue protests that most of them have shown not to even understand.
I’m not going to apologize to you for paying attention. That’s not a fault. It’s an obligation.
If understanding how things work is what makes a person superior
Didn’t say that
you probably don’t want to be shitting on it
Didn’t do that
accuse people of shit they aren’t doing, like say…. sUpPoRtiNG gEnoCiDe! […] casting aspersions at others
Didn’t do that either, see my last reply to this thread
what seems to be a bunch of smug and arrogant people sitting on high,
Tell me how you’re not doing that same exact thing
someone that is doing their best to ensure we keep our democracy.
No they’re not
What I see, are people is the democratic party willing to throw away votes over single-issue protests
FTFY
most of them have shown not to even understand.
Again, you’re assuming your understanding is better than anyone else’s and not colored by billion dollar, lifelong propaganda campaigns, manufacturing consent to enact bloody imperialism on the rest of the world and keep the (lucrative for private capital) war machine turning, rather than any actual history of the conflict in palestine or actual material plan to “protect democracy” here at home.
I’m not going to apologize to you for paying attention.
Hilarious! It’s a badge of honor to have a socialists compartmentalize and pick apart your comments with their notes and insufferable smug corrections.
Well with the way you argue, projecting your own actions onto the other person and not producing any argument of substance, this must happen quite a bit, and you must be a very proud and joyful person. Good for you.
If you stop reading me and those objecting to genocide like adversaries instead of potential allies, and move past the monkey brain telling you to fear fear fear the unknown, you might find very little to disagree with in what we’re actually saying. You might find it in yourself at least to resist the urge to alienate voters that are paying attention and care enough to find such a legitimate objection, mobilize for protests, and organize a voting bloc large enough that it threatens the power of the democratic establishment (only if they do not make a good faith attempt to meet these voters’ demands, of course, which shows how little faith you have in the power of organizing, which calls into question your plan for after the election, but that’s besides my point)
I disagreed with third party and non-votes myself at first, but then I saw how people like you treated others simply for finding their voices and using them to stand up for justice. I saw that what you are saying does not line up with the realities of the democratic platform, that it didn’t 4 years ago either, and that the democrats aren’t really promising anything that I could use to argue with undecided voters. I asked myself how progress could ever happen if this is how I am compelled to treat those pushing for it, and I could not find an answer. I couldn’t beat them, so I joined them.
I realized you actually might not have it all figured out if your only means of recruiting these people to vote for the Democrats; again, people that care and argue with very reasonable logic; is to shout them down and silence them with deeply and nakedly flawed talking points. All while expending energy that you could be directing at someone with any power to change things and to capture that vote.
We’ve been through the same shit with climate change and countless other examples. The “invisible hand of the free market” is bullshit, you cannot make systemic change with individual action and no amount of shouting at people and following them around to brigade their posts will change that. It has to come from the top, and the only way we can influence the top is as a collective.
It’s not being “smug” or any of the things you’ve said I’ve done, you just aren’t able to find any good argument to the contrary so you attack the way I come off to you. I’m disagreeing with you on something you have strong feelings about, so I come off as an adversary and you project adversarial traits onto me which, to be clear, are not there.
Why are we blaming voters again when a million dollar campaign loses against a historically unpopular criminal insurrectionist president… ?
The campaign has the power to pander to voters if it’s clear they can’t win without doing so, they just refuse to and instead are comfortably riding the threat of Trump to the finish line without offering a single thing more.
Your fellow voters that conscientiously object to genocide, are not your enemy. You are being failed by the Democrats, and you are enabling this genocidal policy by directing your anger at the voters instead of pressuring your candidate to change it. If they lose, it’s a strategic failure and they are the only ones to blame for it.
New flash- almost everyone objects to genocide. You don’t belong do some grassroots movement of high-minded academics that somehow managed to figure out that genocide is bad.
Wow so it sounds like being the non-genocidal option would be a great way to get people to vote for you if you really care about winning
And that’s what people who vote for Harris are doing. Because they understand how things work. You’re free to throw away your vote in protest of things that have been going on since before you ever could point to Palestine on a map…
but the rest of us are going to try our best to ensure you continue to have the rights to be able to do that. Do be sure to accuse me of supporting genocide on the way out. It does wonders to garner support for your ideology.
Acting like you’re superior and “understand how things work” better than anyone else, not recognizing the obvious wedge being driven between democratic voters and left-wing voters whom we otherwise agree with, is also doing wonders for your side. I’m sure your vote will make the difference in protecting rights that the Democrats have done absolutely nothing to defend in the face of power grabs and media smears from the right. I’m certain that the Democrats will do the right thing, just out of the goodness and JOY of their hearts, nevermind that their power is guaranteed by the Republicans being a worse option.
Never said you were supporting it, I said you were enabling it. If you want to conflate the two to protect your ego then that’s up to you.
If understanding how things work is what makes a person superior, you probably don’t want to be shitting on it, but maybe trying to get there yourself.
But I don’t feel as if I’m in any way superior because I get how the real world works. I do however, feel superior because I don’t accuse people of shit they aren’t doing, like say…. sUpPoRtiNG gEnoCiDe!
What I see here a lot though, is what seems to be a bunch of smug and arrogant people sitting on high, casting aspersions at others because they support someone that is doing their best to ensure we keep our democracy.
What I see, are people willing to throw away votes over single-issue protests that most of them have shown not to even understand.
I’m not going to apologize to you for paying attention. That’s not a fault. It’s an obligation.
lol
Didn’t say that
Didn’t do that
Didn’t do that either, see my last reply to this thread
Tell me how you’re not doing that same exact thing
No they’re not
FTFY
Again, you’re assuming your understanding is better than anyone else’s and not colored by billion dollar, lifelong propaganda campaigns, manufacturing consent to enact bloody imperialism on the rest of the world and keep the (lucrative for private capital) war machine turning, rather than any actual history of the conflict in palestine or actual material plan to “protect democracy” here at home.
Neither will I
Never said it was and I agree.
Hilarious! It’s a badge of honor to have a socialists compartmentalize and pick apart your comments with their notes and insufferable smug corrections.
I always love it when this happens.
Well with the way you argue, projecting your own actions onto the other person and not producing any argument of substance, this must happen quite a bit, and you must be a very proud and joyful person. Good for you.
If you stop reading me and those objecting to genocide like adversaries instead of potential allies, and move past the monkey brain telling you to fear fear fear the unknown, you might find very little to disagree with in what we’re actually saying. You might find it in yourself at least to resist the urge to alienate voters that are paying attention and care enough to find such a legitimate objection, mobilize for protests, and organize a voting bloc large enough that it threatens the power of the democratic establishment (only if they do not make a good faith attempt to meet these voters’ demands, of course, which shows how little faith you have in the power of organizing, which calls into question your plan for after the election, but that’s besides my point)
I disagreed with third party and non-votes myself at first, but then I saw how people like you treated others simply for finding their voices and using them to stand up for justice. I saw that what you are saying does not line up with the realities of the democratic platform, that it didn’t 4 years ago either, and that the democrats aren’t really promising anything that I could use to argue with undecided voters. I asked myself how progress could ever happen if this is how I am compelled to treat those pushing for it, and I could not find an answer. I couldn’t beat them, so I joined them.
I realized you actually might not have it all figured out if your only means of recruiting these people to vote for the Democrats; again, people that care and argue with very reasonable logic; is to shout them down and silence them with deeply and nakedly flawed talking points. All while expending energy that you could be directing at someone with any power to change things and to capture that vote.
We’ve been through the same shit with climate change and countless other examples. The “invisible hand of the free market” is bullshit, you cannot make systemic change with individual action and no amount of shouting at people and following them around to brigade their posts will change that. It has to come from the top, and the only way we can influence the top is as a collective.
It’s not being “smug” or any of the things you’ve said I’ve done, you just aren’t able to find any good argument to the contrary so you attack the way I come off to you. I’m disagreeing with you on something you have strong feelings about, so I come off as an adversary and you project adversarial traits onto me which, to be clear, are not there.