Yeah okay. Witness testimony is less accurate than chance. Before other forms of evidence, the main evidence used was witness testimony. Therefore, logically, less than half of people convicted were guilty of the crime charged in jury trials.
Ah, I think youve misunderstood some numbers. The best stats I have found indicate that ~75% of overturned cases used eyewitness testimony, and 1/3 of those (so ~20% of all) were found to use faulty testimony from two or more eyewitnesses.
Those are a tiny slice of cases, I’m not sure how many total convictions there have been but best numbers on the time period in question is tens of thousands. The court system either modern or historic has some serious fucking problems, an inability to correct its mistakes being one of the more prominent ones. But a 50+% false conviction rate has never been one of them, come on.
It’s nearly impossible to overturn a case, I never brought that up or suggested that.where you got confused is that you haven’t kept up with any scientific research in the last hundred years relating to human memory, especially under stress
Eyewitness testimony is as reliable as lie detectors, ouiji boards, and Dosing rods for fact finding.
I brought that up because it’s the only example I’ve been able to find (I didn’t try all that hard, but still) of how faulty eyewitnesses testimony impacts case outcomes. It’s also not almost impossible to get a case overturned, we have an entire court system devoted to hearing appeals. You just fundementally don’t know what you’re talking about.
A truly miniscule number of cases are based off of a single eyewitnesses’ testimony, either historically or in the modern era.
… Wow. Just wow. You’re conclusively wrong, and now you’re trying to sidestep that wrongness with a truly tone deaf ad hominem?
There’s no way to ask that question in this context that isn’t offensive. Either you’re implying my argument is poorly founded because I am autistic, or you’re implying that my argument is somehow invalid because it sounds like it was written by an autistic person. Either way, and I for sure mean this offensively you sad little troll, fuck right off and take your spurious ravings about the court system with you.
No I meant it genuinely, I’m happy to work with whatever the answer is. I’m sorry you found it offensive. I do hope you do some introspection on why you think Neurodivergence is a negative and why you had such a reaction to a fairly common question.
Oh dont even start. Using neurodivergence as a shield is cravenly, and pretending like using it in a textbook ad hominem doesnt add any negative context is an obvious & inept attempt to take the moral high ground now that your argument is falling apart.
That person never had an argument to begin with… they were talking out their ass and then trolled out. And then they jumped to just being a straight-up asshole
Must suck to be them — I can’t imagine how miserable you’d have to be, in order to act like such an insufferable cunt
There’s also physical and circumstantial evidence, not just eye witness. And I don’t think you fully grasp the concept of "logic. “Eye witness” being a highly unreliable source doesn’t make “correct convictions” less likely than a coin toss
You’re talking out your ass and trolling. Go home, peasant
Yeah okay. Witness testimony is less accurate than chance. Before other forms of evidence, the main evidence used was witness testimony. Therefore, logically, less than half of people convicted were guilty of the crime charged in jury trials.
Ah, I think youve misunderstood some numbers. The best stats I have found indicate that ~75% of overturned cases used eyewitness testimony, and 1/3 of those (so ~20% of all) were found to use faulty testimony from two or more eyewitnesses.
Those are a tiny slice of cases, I’m not sure how many total convictions there have been but best numbers on the time period in question is tens of thousands. The court system either modern or historic has some serious fucking problems, an inability to correct its mistakes being one of the more prominent ones. But a 50+% false conviction rate has never been one of them, come on.
It’s nearly impossible to overturn a case, I never brought that up or suggested that.where you got confused is that you haven’t kept up with any scientific research in the last hundred years relating to human memory, especially under stress
Eyewitness testimony is as reliable as lie detectors, ouiji boards, and Dosing rods for fact finding.
I brought that up because it’s the only example I’ve been able to find (I didn’t try all that hard, but still) of how faulty eyewitnesses testimony impacts case outcomes. It’s also not almost impossible to get a case overturned, we have an entire court system devoted to hearing appeals. You just fundementally don’t know what you’re talking about.
A truly miniscule number of cases are based off of a single eyewitnesses’ testimony, either historically or in the modern era.
I don’t mean this offensively, but are you on the spectrum?
… Wow. Just wow. You’re conclusively wrong, and now you’re trying to sidestep that wrongness with a truly tone deaf ad hominem?
There’s no way to ask that question in this context that isn’t offensive. Either you’re implying my argument is poorly founded because I am autistic, or you’re implying that my argument is somehow invalid because it sounds like it was written by an autistic person. Either way, and I for sure mean this offensively you sad little troll, fuck right off and take your spurious ravings about the court system with you.
No I meant it genuinely, I’m happy to work with whatever the answer is. I’m sorry you found it offensive. I do hope you do some introspection on why you think Neurodivergence is a negative and why you had such a reaction to a fairly common question.
Oh dont even start. Using neurodivergence as a shield is cravenly, and pretending like using it in a textbook ad hominem doesnt add any negative context is an obvious & inept attempt to take the moral high ground now that your argument is falling apart.
That person never had an argument to begin with… they were talking out their ass and then trolled out. And then they jumped to just being a straight-up asshole
Must suck to be them — I can’t imagine how miserable you’d have to be, in order to act like such an insufferable cunt
There’s also physical and circumstantial evidence, not just eye witness. And I don’t think you fully grasp the concept of "logic. “Eye witness” being a highly unreliable source doesn’t make “correct convictions” less likely than a coin toss
You’re talking out your ass and trolling. Go home, peasant
Do try to keep up with a conversation if you enter it.
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