Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
Actually yea, kinda. Modern neo-nazis think that Israel will eventually be consumed in a regional war and destroyed, which might not actually be that farfetched. It’s also why you’ll hear a lot of right-wing Americans say that we should Nuke Iran - they want there to be a nuclear exchange and for Israel to be destroyed, along with much of the Middle East.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier
Yes, that was my point. It wasn’t that they were ‘a-okay with Jews’, it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
vocally supporting Israel serves as evidence that they aren’t anti-semetic (how could they be, they support Israel!)
it provides a convenient rhetorical opportunity to say that Jews should ‘just go be a part of their own country’ and stay out of theirs
It serves as a positive example of building an anti-immigrant national religious ethnostate. The primary goal of Nazis is to expel foreigners and create their own, and being able to point to Israel as a widely-accepted example is compelling (especially to people who think of Nazism and Zionism as mutually exclusive)
American Neo-nazis have a large overlap with American evangelism, who believe that a battle over Israel will precede the end of time and usher in heaven on earth. To an alarming portion of the American right-wing, support for Israel is largely based on this eschatology and they believe they will eventually be destroyed, and the survivors will dispel and convert to Christianity (because their ‘anti-christ’ lead them to slaughter)
That isn’t to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40’s). I largely think this misconception of Zionism’s relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. “Something can’t be x, it has qualities of y” is just such a pedantic misdirect it’s hard not to laugh at it.
Except you are arguing that modern zionism today is the zionism that Nazi Germany envisioned, which it is not.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
This is blatantly, horrendously wrong. As you know, I regularly check out what extremists say and do (of course I keep my personas different to avoid doxxing), and I can tell you, right now, in full confidence, that Neo-Nazis of today are all very much pro-Palestine. Neo-Nazis very much support Islamic Extremism as it shares all of their views; the only difference is the racial supremacy.
You too can view them on their websites, /pol/ is the most accessible. Your points are also wrong.
Consider this an immediate warning. It’s apologia to Neo-Nazis, Revisionism of Neo-Nazis, and at this point, it’s also Off-topic.
Except you are arguing that modern zionism today is the zionism that Nazi Germany envisioned, which it is not.
Er, no, I wasn’t. I was saying zionism and nazism have an opportunistic overlapping of interests, not that they share an ideological origin. Just as a reminder, I’m addressing someone else’s claim that anti-zionism is inherently antisemitic, and I’m repeatedly pointing out that zionism has a complicated shared history and relationship with nazism, not that they are the same.
As you know, I regularly check out what extremists say and do
Ah, well then you mush be an authority on the matter. I certainly wouldn’t point you in the direction of prominent american neo-nazi and christian nationalists who are quite up-front about wanting to accelerate a religious war with Israel and who use zionist messaging to encourage those tensions - as an expert on the matter - you would already have knowledge of them. I would certainly not feel the need to refer you to the many historical accounts studying the topic.
You are clearly spending your time in those forums for purely academic reasons, and not at all to manufacture agitprop that supports your particular political ideology.
Consider this an immediate warning. It’s apologia to Neo-Nazis, Revisionism of Neo-Nazis, and at this point, it’s also Off-topic.
Don’t threaten me with a good time. If you’re going to ban me then ban me - I’m not finished calling out genocidal zionist apologia where I see it in your comm.
They’re not a nazi
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Anti zionism is not a nazi ideology what the fuck. How is being against people being displaced and forced to live in inhumane conditions something a nazi thinks?
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You could say so, why?
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I don’t really understand this.
How is being against facism facist?
Doesn’t matter, unfortunately.
Per instance rules, no calling people names.
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I mean, I won’t argue on the Israel-destruction thing, but I don’t think being secular makes you a nazi.
I’m anti-Zionist, anti-caliphate, anti-Christendom, you know, secular.
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Those are all good points.
I suppose applying it to the Israeli Settlements would be more apt. I reckon if the settlements were dismantled, then the whole anti-zionist stuff would fall apart.
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Why hasn’t Israel dismantled the settlements if everyone hates them?
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Lmao, the Nazis themselves were Zionists. They wanted the Jews out of their country and saw zionism as a compelling way to get them out.
I’m not even particularly keen on relying on that opportunistic relationship to group zionism and nazism together, but it would be quite ridiculous to suggest anti-zionism is Nazi ideology.
Except at the same time Nazi Germany was also courting Amin al-Husseini (who was later the leader of Mandatory Palestine) and instructing the arab world to slaughter their Jews.
It’s pretty clear that Nazi Germany wanted them in one place to make the extermination easier; hence why they gathered all the Jews they could find.
Saying that Nazi Germany supported Zionism is a gross misunderstanding of Nazi Germany and Jews in WW2. It makes it sound like Nazi Germany was a-okay with Jews so long as they stuck to their own place, which is blatantly false and highly suspect to even be arguing.
It also explains why caliphates in the Middle East are rife with Nazi German rhetoric and why there are so much Nazi-era books and reading material inside Gaza.
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Actually yea, kinda. Modern neo-nazis think that Israel will eventually be consumed in a regional war and destroyed, which might not actually be that farfetched. It’s also why you’ll hear a lot of right-wing Americans say that we should Nuke Iran - they want there to be a nuclear exchange and for Israel to be destroyed, along with much of the Middle East.
Yes, that was my point. It wasn’t that they were ‘a-okay with Jews’, it was that supporting Zionism served their interests in driving Jews out of Europe. Especially now, when Nazi Germany is still very much a part of our generational memory, Nazis lean on those apparent contradictions to deflect negative attention and re-frame their movement for the modern age.
You’ll notice a lot of neo-nazis support Zionism (particularly American neo-nazis), and it’s for a couple reasons:
That isn’t to say that Zionism is a nazi ideology, just that Zionism just happens to align with their interests at the moment (and in the 1930-40’s). I largely think this misconception of Zionism’s relationship to Nazism stems from a flawed world-view that centers around ideological binaries, instead of a complicated dialectic of various interests. “Something can’t be x, it has qualities of y” is just such a pedantic misdirect it’s hard not to laugh at it.
Except you are arguing that modern zionism today is the zionism that Nazi Germany envisioned, which it is not.
This is blatantly, horrendously wrong. As you know, I regularly check out what extremists say and do (of course I keep my personas different to avoid doxxing), and I can tell you, right now, in full confidence, that Neo-Nazis of today are all very much pro-Palestine. Neo-Nazis very much support Islamic Extremism as it shares all of their views; the only difference is the racial supremacy.
You too can view them on their websites, /pol/ is the most accessible. Your points are also wrong.
Consider this an immediate warning. It’s apologia to Neo-Nazis, Revisionism of Neo-Nazis, and at this point, it’s also Off-topic.
Er, no, I wasn’t. I was saying zionism and nazism have an opportunistic overlapping of interests, not that they share an ideological origin. Just as a reminder, I’m addressing someone else’s claim that anti-zionism is inherently antisemitic, and I’m repeatedly pointing out that zionism has a complicated shared history and relationship with nazism, not that they are the same.
Ah, well then you mush be an authority on the matter. I certainly wouldn’t point you in the direction of prominent american neo-nazi and christian nationalists who are quite up-front about wanting to accelerate a religious war with Israel and who use zionist messaging to encourage those tensions - as an expert on the matter - you would already have knowledge of them. I would certainly not feel the need to refer you to the many historical accounts studying the topic.
You are clearly spending your time in those forums for purely academic reasons, and not at all to manufacture agitprop that supports your particular political ideology.
Don’t threaten me with a good time. If you’re going to ban me then ban me - I’m not finished calling out genocidal zionist apologia where I see it in your comm.
If you think people are calling for genocide, please report it. Until then, your ban will be 24 hours and you may counter it if you so wish.
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Erm,… back at ya?