Or, you know, Kamala could just come out and denounce the Israeli Genocide.
This oft repeated spin straight out of the Political Propaganda 101 book that it’s all the lefties’ fault for not supporting the Democrat Party whilst their leaders unwaveringly support what is well on its way to become the 21st Century Holocaust rather than it being the fault of the Democrat Party leaders for unwaveringly support what is well on its way to become the 21st Century Holocaust hence they risk losing leftie votes, would be hilarious if it wasn’t such an obvious insult to the intelligence of most people.
That the argument always boils down to “these very important people can do whatever the fuck they want no matter how evil and any consequences of that will be the plebes’ fault since should have supporting them” (the kind of “logic” an abuser uses) betrays the tribalism hypocrisy that it really is (hence its obvious subservient mindset) rather than the well intentioned advice it tries to pass itself as.
If the objective was truly and only to Stop Trump, the everybody would be equally pushing for it, but apparently it’s not as the Democrat Party leadership refuses to stop supporting what’s the biggest evil in this century (so far) and instead send their minions around to parrot the abuser’s Book Of It’s Your Fault You Made Me Do It claiming that the fault for the consequences of the choices the Democrat Party leaders is really of everybody else but them.
This response reeks of naive idealism wrapped in self-righteous moralizing. It’s easy to demand that Kamala Harris “denounce genocide” as though it’s a magic wand that will instantly change the geopolitical landscape, let alone the electoral map. To put it bluntly, if she does that, she will almost certainly lose the election. Would that it weren’t the case, but the world (and the United States) doesn’t work that way, and acting like it does betrays a complete lack of understanding of realpolitik. The Democrats are navigating a complex minefield of domestic and international pressures, and while you sit on the sidelines demanding moral purity, your actions are doing nothing but helping the very forces—Trump, Netanyahu, and the far-right—that thrive on division.
Claiming that it’s somehow more virtuous to tear down Harris for not meeting your purity test while ignoring the consequences of a Trump re-election is either willfully ignorant or disturbingly reckless. You cast aside the actual stakes—continued authoritarianism, eroded democratic institutions, and worsening conflict—because you’re too blinded by your own self-congratulatory sense of moral superiority. If the goal really is to stop genocide and halt far-right imperialism, then, no matter how you cut it, your tactical ignorance is making you an unwitting ally to the very people perpetuating it.
This response reeks of naive idealism wrapped in self-righteous moralizing. It’s easy to demand that Kamala Harris “denounce genocide” as though it’s a magic wand that will instantly change the geopolitical landscape, let alone the electoral map. To put it bluntly, if she does that, she will almost certainly lose the election.
That utter nonsense. If she stops the shipments she gets progressive votes. And she wont get nearly from the “center” gun nuts and frackers. The only options she has are to wait and see if she magically gets the numbers somehow, or flip halfway on the genocide issue and stop the shipments. She doesnt even need to go to the palestinian side, she just needs to stop the shipments and the outrage on the AIPAC side will make it look like she made some firm stand. She just needs to give a tiny smidgeon. Or she loses.
If she stops the shipments she gets progressive votes.
Bullshit, y’all get played like a fucking fiddle every time by Putin and Netanyahu. If it wasn’t Gaza, it would be something else. Harris will never get your votes, best we can hope for is you to shut up and stop influencing the low-information voters.
Is it really so hard to believe that genocide might be a big deal for some voters? You know some of these people know or are related to those being killed right? What would you tell them? Its not that important?
And you can save any further comment, I’ll be blocking you after this. I will argue with people who people who have differing ideas, but not with people who dont even know what they are talking about and are spewing nonsense.
In addition to intentionally conflating liberals and neoliberals, you bastards are also conflating Leftists with progressives, and that’s just fucking offensive.
I am a progressive. You are not. Trade on your own reputation instead of trying to hitch yourself to ours.
And to follow up, let’s cut through the noise: the actual revolutionaries are not on the left anymore—they’re on the right. While leftists sit in their echo chambers, recycling the same tired rhetoric about the “deep state,” “holocaust,” “seizing the means of production,” or the “oppressive system,” the right is using that very system to achieve real, tangible victories. You know, that whole “praxis” thing you’ve only ever read about. You call out the “deep state” in theory, but the right is actively bending it to their will, infiltrating and reshaping institutions while you’re busy hashtagging your outrage. You talk about class struggle, but the right is recruiting the working class and mobilizing them into a political force while you alienate them with performative virtue-signaling and elitist condescension.
Decentralized organizing? The right has mastered it. You talk about decentralized resistance, but they’re doing it with militias, grassroots movements, and local networks that bypass traditional power structures. You fantasize about armed resistance, but they’re the ones arming up and preparing for real-world conflict while you rage from behind your keyboard. They’ve taken leftist tactics and have weaponized them effectively—moving the political discourse to their advantage, recruiting new members, and pushing their radical politicians into the mainstream. Trump? SCOTUS? They didn’t come out of nowhere—they’re the result of decades of long-term grassroots organizing by the right that you probably mocked, dismissed, or ignored. Now they’re reshaping the entire political landscape, and you’re too busy whining on social media to see it and too busy applying purity tests to everyone and everything to stop it.
The so-called revolutionaries on the left, with their gaming-chair activism and social media campaigns, think they’re going to change the world with retweets, downvotes, and think pieces. Meanwhile, the right is out there in the real world, moving mountains while you move Lemmy posts. The so-called left is getting beat—badly. And the worst part? You don’t even seem to notice. It’s both incredibly sad and very frustrating. There’s a real revolution happening, but it’s not yours. The left are not the ones changing the world—they’re the ones losing it. And anyone trying to find ways to blunt the tips or create a tactical opening you dismiss from your self-constructed throne of high-morality. How’s the weather up there on your high horse anyway?
Because it infiltrated the system and gained power from within, a prospect that for some reason horrifies leftists. Even though that is the only way to achieve your goals.
An Astroturf campaign is a fake grassroots movement: it purports to be a spontaneous uprising of concerned citizens, but in reality it is founded and funded by elite interests.
Or, you know, Kamala could just come out and denounce the Israeli Genocide.
This oft repeated spin straight out of the Political Propaganda 101 book that it’s all the lefties’ fault for not supporting the Democrat Party whilst their leaders unwaveringly support what is well on its way to become the 21st Century Holocaust rather than it being the fault of the Democrat Party leaders for unwaveringly support what is well on its way to become the 21st Century Holocaust hence they risk losing leftie votes, would be hilarious if it wasn’t such an obvious insult to the intelligence of most people.
That the argument always boils down to “these very important people can do whatever the fuck they want no matter how evil and any consequences of that will be the plebes’ fault since should have supporting them” (the kind of “logic” an abuser uses) betrays the tribalism hypocrisy that it really is (hence its obvious subservient mindset) rather than the well intentioned advice it tries to pass itself as.
If the objective was truly and only to Stop Trump, the everybody would be equally pushing for it, but apparently it’s not as the Democrat Party leadership refuses to stop supporting what’s the biggest evil in this century (so far) and instead send their minions around to parrot the abuser’s Book Of It’s Your Fault You Made Me Do It claiming that the fault for the consequences of the choices the Democrat Party leaders is really of everybody else but them.
This response reeks of naive idealism wrapped in self-righteous moralizing. It’s easy to demand that Kamala Harris “denounce genocide” as though it’s a magic wand that will instantly change the geopolitical landscape, let alone the electoral map. To put it bluntly, if she does that, she will almost certainly lose the election. Would that it weren’t the case, but the world (and the United States) doesn’t work that way, and acting like it does betrays a complete lack of understanding of realpolitik. The Democrats are navigating a complex minefield of domestic and international pressures, and while you sit on the sidelines demanding moral purity, your actions are doing nothing but helping the very forces—Trump, Netanyahu, and the far-right—that thrive on division.
Claiming that it’s somehow more virtuous to tear down Harris for not meeting your purity test while ignoring the consequences of a Trump re-election is either willfully ignorant or disturbingly reckless. You cast aside the actual stakes—continued authoritarianism, eroded democratic institutions, and worsening conflict—because you’re too blinded by your own self-congratulatory sense of moral superiority. If the goal really is to stop genocide and halt far-right imperialism, then, no matter how you cut it, your tactical ignorance is making you an unwitting ally to the very people perpetuating it.
That utter nonsense. If she stops the shipments she gets progressive votes. And she wont get nearly from the “center” gun nuts and frackers. The only options she has are to wait and see if she magically gets the numbers somehow, or flip halfway on the genocide issue and stop the shipments. She doesnt even need to go to the palestinian side, she just needs to stop the shipments and the outrage on the AIPAC side will make it look like she made some firm stand. She just needs to give a tiny smidgeon. Or she loses.
Bullshit, y’all get played like a fucking fiddle every time by Putin and Netanyahu. If it wasn’t Gaza, it would be something else. Harris will never get your votes, best we can hope for is you to shut up and stop influencing the low-information voters.
Is it really so hard to believe that genocide might be a big deal for some voters? You know some of these people know or are related to those being killed right? What would you tell them? Its not that important?
I’d tell them they’re being duped by people harnessing their anger.
You need read up on what progressives even are so you dont embarass yourself further. You clearly dont understand the basics of what you are talking about. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/types-democrats-republicans-house-2024/
And you can save any further comment, I’ll be blocking you after this. I will argue with people who people who have differing ideas, but not with people who dont even know what they are talking about and are spewing nonsense.
In addition to intentionally conflating liberals and neoliberals, you bastards are also conflating Leftists with progressives, and that’s just fucking offensive.
I am a progressive. You are not. Trade on your own reputation instead of trying to hitch yourself to ours.
And to follow up, let’s cut through the noise: the actual revolutionaries are not on the left anymore—they’re on the right. While leftists sit in their echo chambers, recycling the same tired rhetoric about the “deep state,” “holocaust,” “seizing the means of production,” or the “oppressive system,” the right is using that very system to achieve real, tangible victories. You know, that whole “praxis” thing you’ve only ever read about. You call out the “deep state” in theory, but the right is actively bending it to their will, infiltrating and reshaping institutions while you’re busy hashtagging your outrage. You talk about class struggle, but the right is recruiting the working class and mobilizing them into a political force while you alienate them with performative virtue-signaling and elitist condescension.
Decentralized organizing? The right has mastered it. You talk about decentralized resistance, but they’re doing it with militias, grassroots movements, and local networks that bypass traditional power structures. You fantasize about armed resistance, but they’re the ones arming up and preparing for real-world conflict while you rage from behind your keyboard. They’ve taken leftist tactics and have weaponized them effectively—moving the political discourse to their advantage, recruiting new members, and pushing their radical politicians into the mainstream. Trump? SCOTUS? They didn’t come out of nowhere—they’re the result of decades of long-term grassroots organizing by the right that you probably mocked, dismissed, or ignored. Now they’re reshaping the entire political landscape, and you’re too busy whining on social media to see it and too busy applying purity tests to everyone and everything to stop it.
The so-called revolutionaries on the left, with their gaming-chair activism and social media campaigns, think they’re going to change the world with retweets, downvotes, and think pieces. Meanwhile, the right is out there in the real world, moving mountains while you move Lemmy posts. The so-called left is getting beat—badly. And the worst part? You don’t even seem to notice. It’s both incredibly sad and very frustrating. There’s a real revolution happening, but it’s not yours. The left are not the ones changing the world—they’re the ones losing it. And anyone trying to find ways to blunt the tips or create a tactical opening you dismiss from your self-constructed throne of high-morality. How’s the weather up there on your high horse anyway?
Okay boomer.
And this level of intelligence is allowed to vote. We’re doomed.
When the left tries to organize to effect change:
There’s a reason the right has no problem organizing. It is tolerated, and condoned. Why?
Because it infiltrated the system and gained power from within, a prospect that for some reason horrifies leftists. Even though that is the only way to achieve your goals.
It didn’t infiltrate the system. It is the system.
It is now. The tea party started as an outside movement.
Did it, though?
I think you desperately need to believe it was astroturfed, because otherwise it would too starkly contrast with the absolute failure of Leftism.