“It’s not like the government is forcing you to buy a car!”

If you live in a city with parking minimums, yes they fucking are.

  • @[email protected]
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    31 month ago

    generally in Europe people will either:

    • Live somewhere walkable
    • Go to an out of town supermarket with parking
    • Park on the edge of town and walk in

    not every business needs parking right outside

    • @AchtungDrempels
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      01 month ago

      What is it, left and right of those walkable streets? Parked cars on public space.

      Also i did not claim that every business needs parking right outside, and they don’t, not necessarily.

      Is it really horrible to make the businesses / developers of housing complexes to pay for and build the expected parking?

      • @RunAroundDesertYou
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        21 month ago

        Yes, as this increases housing costs a lot, especially when underground parking is required, with little to no benefit for most people.

        • @AchtungDrempels
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          -21 month ago

          There are tons of regulations that increase housing costs a lot. Doesn’t mean they all don’t make any sense whatsoever.

          Car / inhabitant rate is about 58% in Germany, if you like it or not, and the rate is still getting slightly bigger, so no, most people have a car. Also the parking lots are usually being sold / rented out as an extra, that should at least in theory compensate the price for people without the need somewhat.

          Underground parking is more expensive to build, but it’s not being built to blow up the prices, usually it is the only way to reasonably accommodate the parking necessary, also from a financial POV. I hope you are not proposing atrocious ground level parking for urban settings.

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        11 month ago

        The car owners pay for that parking with their road taxes or via parking meters - the small extra cost also serves to discourage those with the choice from driving while not strongly adversely affecting those without a choice

        • @AchtungDrempels
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          11 month ago

          Oh yeah, do they? I believe I pay 36€ for my residential parking permit for two years. Is also not necessary to have everywhere. That is joke money, it discourages nobody.

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            1 month ago

            I was talking about when visiting non-walkable businesses - I pay about double that, but that’s because I have a 0.9l city car and if you had something more polluting it’d be significantly more, plus double for your 2nd+ car. That covers up to around 1km from my flat, which I’d deem walkable, and means people who don’t live locally have to pay even higher rates

            • @AchtungDrempels
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              11 month ago

              Non walkable businesses in europe usually have free parking in my experience. But i visit those rarely since I live downtown, i and most other people living downtown don’t use a car to get around. But it doesn’t make all the cars, including mine, disappear from the streets. The area where I live has no free capacity for parking on public space, so if somebody wants to build apartments or a business park on a formerly barren piece of land, they have to prove that they have reasonable parking facilities for the expected additional demand. Which will be there, that is just reality, not liking cars does not make this go away. 78% of households in Germany own at least one car, and even in the “car free wonderland” Netherlands it is 74% of households.

              Apparently the idea, that developers are being forced by regulation to figure out their assumed parking problem for themselves, and not get a free pass to just put the burden onto the public space, is not well liked here. I don’t know anything about the minimum parking regulations in the us, but for all I care it could as well be set to “minimum parking = zero” if it made sense in a specific area. But it needs to be regulated, I don’t think there are many countries where that is not the case, maybe somalia or something. So maybe the regulation in place is bad and unreasonable, but that does not mean that regulating this problem is a bad idea in general.