Okay, that still doesnt explain how we fix this problem, which is what that poster is talking about.
So we sacrifice our vote this round cause Nazi cheetoh blah blah blah, what do we do next election when the next Nazi supreme is running? We do the same thing then?
I’d be more willing to listen to your position if there was some semblence of a long term plan. Also, you seem to trivialize how awful it is to vote for an administration currently committing genocide. A bunch of people are voting kamala and very upset about it.
what do we do next election when the next Nazi supreme is running?
This is the exact point I made in my comment.
This does not fix the problem, but it reduces how bad it gets within a general timeframe. Harm reduction can never actually fix the harm being done, it can only make the harm less severe.
Again, just like I said before,
The situation is complete shit, and nobody wants to just have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But if we don’t vote for the lesser of two evils, we just get an even more genocidal, fascist maniac in office.
you seem to trivialize how awful it is to vote for an administration currently committing genocide.
This election will happen. It doesn’t matter who you want to win. If you vote for Kamala, she will perpetuate the genocide. If you vote for nobody, you increase the chance of Trump winning (since the more people vote, on average, the more likely it is for Democrats to win.) If you vote for Trump, you, of course, increase the chance of Trump winning.
If Trump is in office, we know he will not only continue the genocide, but will also likely engage in further genocide on American soil, as he’s already clearly demonstrated he’s a racist freak that doesn’t see immigrants as people.
I am not proposing a solution. This is not a solution. I don’t know how I can make that more clear. I’m not proposing a solution, I’m proposing a harm reduction measure that can then be used in tandem with other, further actions to try and save our democracy.
But it is the best possible, or rather, least bad option we have, given our circumstances. Do you want the fascist, or the lesser fascist? Because you have to pick.
The only way you can increase your chances of other, good plans being enacted, is to make sure the situation is as favorable to you as possible. Having a far-right fascist like Trump in power will most certainly not do that. Anything that reduces his chances of winning is beneficial.
If you want a long-term strategy outside of just voting for the lesser of two evils, you can directly contact representatives in the party to try and sway their opinions more to the left, which could possibly change their trajectory as a party. You can engage in direct action like legal, or even illegal protests in order to demonstrate the public support your opinions hold, to increase the likelihood your positions will be seen favorably in congress. You can campaign on the easier-to-influence local level to enact ranked-choice voting for city and state elections, which will grow the overall support for better voting systems nationwide. You can donate to nonprofits that inform misinformed senators, and raise public awareness and outcry against fascist policy.
Are any of those a silver bullet? Of course not. Is that an extensive list? Hell no. But you’re not getting any of that done if the guy in power is so unbelievably fascist, you’re not able to protest without being trampled by a militarized police force within 5 minutes, or if you have even less economic power compared to corporations that just got tax breaks, while your wages went down. I don’t like the Democrats, but I hate Trump even more. This election will pick one of them, and anything I can do to stop Trump from getting in power will then make it easier to take other politically left-leaning steps in the right direction after.
I envy that you think theres a material difference between how trump and kamala would handle Israel, and also that you weigh a potential genocide as more than an existing one. I hope you will be just as happy that you voted for Kamala in a few years once this all shakes out though.
I envy that you think theres a material difference between how trump and kamala would handle Israel
When I look at both parties, I see one party that is substantially more fascist. Fascism, notoriously, loves furthering genocidal rhetoric, and doing genocidal acts. If I had to pick which party I think is more likely to provide a worse outcome to the genocide, it would be the more fascist one.
I in no way think either of them will magically stop the genocide, give Palestinians sovereignty, or stop destabilizing the rest of the world with conflict driven by global imperialism. But I have good reason to believe one of them will do substantially worse things in that direction, so I will do everything I can to at least make sure that person doesn’t get into power.
I truly hope you are capable of telling which party represents each possible action.
you weigh a potential genocide as more than an existing one.
I do not. Kamala is substantially less likely to do a genocide on American soil, compared to Trump. Trump is substantially more fascist, and is much more likely to continue endorsing and funding the Israeli-Palestinian genocide.
It’s not as if Kamala is going to keep supporting the genocide of Palestinians, but not do a genocide in America, but Trump will stop the genocide of Palestinians, and maybe do a genocide in America instead. He’ll just do both.
And considering Trump’s rhetoric, I wouldn’t trust him to handle the genocide of Palestinians better than Kamala. I see the option that has the least (but not no) negative effects as voting for Kamala. I do not want to, but I sincerely do not want Trump in power even more than that.
Okay, that still doesnt explain how we fix this problem, which is what that poster is talking about.
So we sacrifice our vote this round cause Nazi cheetoh blah blah blah, what do we do next election when the next Nazi supreme is running? We do the same thing then?
I’d be more willing to listen to your position if there was some semblence of a long term plan. Also, you seem to trivialize how awful it is to vote for an administration currently committing genocide. A bunch of people are voting kamala and very upset about it.
This is the exact point I made in my comment.
This does not fix the problem, but it reduces how bad it gets within a general timeframe. Harm reduction can never actually fix the harm being done, it can only make the harm less severe.
Again, just like I said before,
But if we don’t vote for the lesser of two evils, we just get an even more genocidal, fascist maniac in office.
This election will happen. It doesn’t matter who you want to win. If you vote for Kamala, she will perpetuate the genocide. If you vote for nobody, you increase the chance of Trump winning (since the more people vote, on average, the more likely it is for Democrats to win.) If you vote for Trump, you, of course, increase the chance of Trump winning. If Trump is in office, we know he will not only continue the genocide, but will also likely engage in further genocide on American soil, as he’s already clearly demonstrated he’s a racist freak that doesn’t see immigrants as people.
I am not proposing a solution. This is not a solution. I don’t know how I can make that more clear. I’m not proposing a solution, I’m proposing a harm reduction measure that can then be used in tandem with other, further actions to try and save our democracy.
But it is the best possible, or rather, least bad option we have, given our circumstances. Do you want the fascist, or the lesser fascist? Because you have to pick.
The only way you can increase your chances of other, good plans being enacted, is to make sure the situation is as favorable to you as possible. Having a far-right fascist like Trump in power will most certainly not do that. Anything that reduces his chances of winning is beneficial.
If you want a long-term strategy outside of just voting for the lesser of two evils, you can directly contact representatives in the party to try and sway their opinions more to the left, which could possibly change their trajectory as a party. You can engage in direct action like legal, or even illegal protests in order to demonstrate the public support your opinions hold, to increase the likelihood your positions will be seen favorably in congress. You can campaign on the easier-to-influence local level to enact ranked-choice voting for city and state elections, which will grow the overall support for better voting systems nationwide. You can donate to nonprofits that inform misinformed senators, and raise public awareness and outcry against fascist policy.
Are any of those a silver bullet? Of course not. Is that an extensive list? Hell no. But you’re not getting any of that done if the guy in power is so unbelievably fascist, you’re not able to protest without being trampled by a militarized police force within 5 minutes, or if you have even less economic power compared to corporations that just got tax breaks, while your wages went down. I don’t like the Democrats, but I hate Trump even more. This election will pick one of them, and anything I can do to stop Trump from getting in power will then make it easier to take other politically left-leaning steps in the right direction after.
I envy that you think theres a material difference between how trump and kamala would handle Israel, and also that you weigh a potential genocide as more than an existing one. I hope you will be just as happy that you voted for Kamala in a few years once this all shakes out though.
When I look at both parties, I see one party that is substantially more fascist. Fascism, notoriously, loves furthering genocidal rhetoric, and doing genocidal acts. If I had to pick which party I think is more likely to provide a worse outcome to the genocide, it would be the more fascist one.
I in no way think either of them will magically stop the genocide, give Palestinians sovereignty, or stop destabilizing the rest of the world with conflict driven by global imperialism. But I have good reason to believe one of them will do substantially worse things in that direction, so I will do everything I can to at least make sure that person doesn’t get into power.
I truly hope you are capable of telling which party represents each possible action.
I do not. Kamala is substantially less likely to do a genocide on American soil, compared to Trump. Trump is substantially more fascist, and is much more likely to continue endorsing and funding the Israeli-Palestinian genocide.
It’s not as if Kamala is going to keep supporting the genocide of Palestinians, but not do a genocide in America, but Trump will stop the genocide of Palestinians, and maybe do a genocide in America instead. He’ll just do both.
And considering Trump’s rhetoric, I wouldn’t trust him to handle the genocide of Palestinians better than Kamala. I see the option that has the least (but not no) negative effects as voting for Kamala. I do not want to, but I sincerely do not want Trump in power even more than that.