• @hemmes
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    21 month ago

    people voting for her would not vote for the Dems otherwise, they would vote for a different third party or abstain

    That’s just stupid. I doubt supporters would rather Trump win, and by not voting Democrat that’s exactly what those people are helping. You are straight up helping Trump become president. Period.

    Sure, keep up the grassroots movement, but fucking vote Dem, Jesus Christ. To throw your votes away like that is selfish and will only hurt your movement. You think you guys will have a better time getting your ideas across with a Trump presidency? You need to coalesce with another stronger party to be seen or heard. You think PSL is unique in any way? Alternative parties like PSL have come and gone for years because they have no strategy - you know, like thinking RCV is “ridiculous”. Look at the Forward Party, for example, for some not-so-ridiculous ideas that can give third parties a fighting chance.

    It’s to delegitimize the electoral system and to advertise the party and party platform, PSL organizes year round, campaigns are generally the least of their worries.

    Sounds delightful. But since it’s almost, you know, fucking November, can PSL leaders remind their constituents to vote Dem or we’re all fucked? Because, right now in the world we live in today, that’s how it works. If Trump returns to the office, you’re damn right campaigning will be the very least of their worries.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      11 month ago

      That’s just stupid. I doubt supporters would rather Trump win, and by not voting Democrat that’s exactly what those people are helping. You are straight up helping Trump become president. Period.

      The Dems are helping Trump win by being genocidal. Leftists aren’t going to vote for right-wing genocidal Imperialists, Claudia De La Crúz isn’t a spoiler.

      Sure, keep up the grassroots movement, but fucking vote Dem, Jesus Christ. To throw your votes away like that is selfish and will only hurt your movement. You think you guys will have a better time getting your ideas across with a Trump presidency? You need to coalesce with another stronger party to be seen or heard. You think PSL is unique in any way? Alternative parties like PSL have come and gone for years because they have no strategy - you know, like thinking RCV is “ridiculous”. Look at the Forward Party, for example, for some not-so-ridiculous ideas that can give third parties a fighting chance.

      What “stronger party” do Leftists have to work with? There’s only PSL.

      Sounds delightful. But since it’s almost, you know, fucking November, can PSL leaders remind their constituents to vote Dem or we’re all fucked? Because, right now in the world we live in today, that’s how it works. If Trump returns to the office, you’re damn right campaigning will be the very least of their worries.

      Why would they? They want people to abandon the Dems and the Reps, both are equally dangerous to Communists.

      • @hemmes
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        11 month ago

        You must be young - to be promoting communism, so misguided.

        What “stronger party” do Leftists have to work with?

        The democrats, Dopey.

        This idea that you can have a communist government that truly works for the people is a farce. It ignores who we are as a people. The only way is capitalism with strong social programs. Representatives like AOC are the ones standing up for real viable change, not PSL.

        If the constituents supporting PSL would get off their high horse and help us get majority power over congress you would see meaningful change.

        But, no. Let’s promote fucking communism. You are truly lost.

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          You must be young - to be promoting communism, so misguided.

          You must be young - to be denouncing communism, so misguided.

          The democrats, Dopey.

          The Democrats are a far-right genocidal imperialist party, why would you think they are left?

          This idea that you can have a communist government that truly works for the people is a farce. It ignores who we are as a people. The only way is capitalism with strong social programs. Representatives like AOC are the ones standing up for real viable change, not PSL.

          That’s a fantasy. Capitalism with strong social programs still depends on Imperialism, and sees sliding worker protections. Capitalism is inherently unsustainable, it’s already a farce to pretend it isn’t. AOC hasn’t made real, viable change.

          If the constituents supporting PSL would get off their high horse and help us get majority power over congress you would see meaningful change.

          Impossible to do, for one, and for two, the Democrats stand for Imperialism and Capitalism, that’s never going to happen.

          You are extremely condescending for someone who believes in utter fantasy. I’d like you to explain what you mean by denouncing Communism, you don’t have any points thus far, just gestures.

          But, no. Let’s promote fucking communism. You are truly lost.

          Please, elaborate. Explain what’s wrong with Communism and why you support a brutal, dying Empire that is only ever getting worse over time.

          • @hemmes
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            01 month ago

            Bro, you’re a commie of course I’m condescending.

            [Socialist programs are] a fantasy

            I guess we’re living in a fantasy: States:

            1. Social Security
            2. Medicare
            3. Medicaid
            4. Public Education
            5. The Affordable Care Act (ACA)
            6. Unemployment Insurance
            7. SNAP
            8. Not to mention Minimum Wage

            The only thing PSL will disenfranchise are programs like those.

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              Bro, you’re a commie of course I’m condescending.

              And yet you can’t explain any of your points, or explain why you aren’t a Communist. Peak liberalism.

              I guess we’re living in a fantasy: States:

              1. Social Security - One of the higher retirement ages

              2. Medicare - single payer is cheaper

              3. Medicaid - single payer is cheaper

              4. Public Education - woefully underfunded and college isn’t free

              5. The Affordable Care Act (ACA) - single payer is cheaper

              6. Unemployment Insurance - pathetically small

              7. SNAP - pathetically small

              8. Not to mention Minimum Wage - pathetically small

              You have no points, just gestures. Social Programs aren’t socialism, you have no plan, just sticking with a sinking ship and trying to pretend there aren’t gaping holes in the hull.

              Explain exactly why you aren’t a Communist, if my being a Communist is enough for you to start malding. You’re on a site made by Communists, lol

            • Don Escobar
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              11 month ago

              You’re wasting your breath with a communist party based out of the comfort of New York.

              These lunatics would be singing a different tune if they were living in the great communist heaven of Cuba and before cowbell comes at me, that’s where I was born and raised half my life.

              Let me say it clearly for the kids on the short bus, fuck communism.