Tbf child labor gucci shoes would still be possible under communism, you just wouldn’t “buy” them technically (though nobody has been able to explain to me how “everything’s just free now” would work. They just say “no more money” and, ok, but then how do we entice people to do things that aren’t fun but are necessary? Usually the answer is “someone will want to clean septic tanks” and I know there’s a couple coprophiliacs out there, but I can’t imagine it’s enough to sustain the septic industry on fetishists alone.)
Realistically, the tanks will be cleaned because the city smells awful and someone will have to clean it. We already have volunteer organizations in the present day despite the system.
I believe that once the useless/unproductive jobs are gone, people are free to do what they love to do ( as there is no threat of starvation) , there will be inventions (robots for example) to take care of tasks such as cleaning septic tanks , better designs reducing need for cleaning or even newer tech to do away with septic tanks.
Thing is a ton of people who could be thinking are instead forced to do repetitive labor for a living. While the automated septic cleaning robot probably won’t happen, I’m sure we’ll see waste reduction after allowing them to think instead of just survive
First of all I believe it’d be prudent to invent the slave robots and food replicators first, not just “hope someone invents them now that they’re bored.”
Furthermore I am fairly certain robotics and science-fictional tech would require highly skilled engineers who would have to go to school for it now that they’re “bored.” You can’t just be like “well I’m bored because I’m no longer a plumber I think I’ll invent a time machine.”
Yup. If socialism/communism actually produced innovations like this, all the various socialist economies would have gotten there already. But no, they all basically fell back on capitalism, because it turns out that people are kind of selfish and pitting people against each other in a competitive market tends to work better. It’s not ideal, but most if not all of the innovations have come from capitalist countries…
I still reckon communism will make a resurgence sometime in the future, maybe even in our lifetimes.
alas, tankies will never actually revolt. Too passive, too scared and sensitive. They need trigger words, lol. Can you imagine trying to revolt when they can’t handle certain stimuli?
I suppose none of the ‘isms work , until competition for resources is eradicated. When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources) , the greed goes away . This transformation needs spiritual (not religious) evolution too.
For all that to happen , population needs to go down (no genocide or wars , just education and birth control. Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap between each child birth and in around 800 years we can reach population goal of half a billion )
( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)
( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)
When there is nothing that can be gained from others
That will always exist. If everyone has enough resources, we’ll compete for other stuff like status symbols. That’s just how human nature is, we’re never content and always want to progress relative to those around us.
And no, human population doesn’t need to go down. Every time we get to some number scientists pick for a maximum, we blow past it and figure out how to sustain the new population. I don’t see any reason for that to change, we’re remarkably good at solving problems we create, though frequently later than is comfortable. I don’t know where you’re pulling that 528 million figure from…
you know i’m beginning to think china might not be very communist.
All Chinese companies are owned by the Chinese government. It’s still a centralized economy.
Yeah, like they said, not communist: state capitalist.
People really don’t understand what communism is.
Yeah, China’s not communist at all
State capitalism is effectively communism.
Like i said, people really don’t understand what communism is. They fill in the bits they dont know with any old crap that comes into their heads.
What’s your take?
Yeah, no. Not even close.
What, not enough murdered gay people for your liking?
? We were having a polite discussion about economics, why bring social policy into it?
It’s effectively Bezos,Gates,Musk and Zuck forming a government
Yup, still a centralized economy
That’s fantastic. Someone should tell Hexbear we can get to communism by simply giving billionaires all the remaining money.
Historically that’s pretty accurate
WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN
wanna buy some child-labour gucci shoes?
Tbf child labor gucci shoes would still be possible under communism, you just wouldn’t “buy” them technically (though nobody has been able to explain to me how “everything’s just free now” would work. They just say “no more money” and, ok, but then how do we entice people to do things that aren’t fun but are necessary? Usually the answer is “someone will want to clean septic tanks” and I know there’s a couple coprophiliacs out there, but I can’t imagine it’s enough to sustain the septic industry on fetishists alone.)
listen comrade it’s vital for the state that your 5 year old makes gucci shoes
Да товарищ
Realistically, the tanks will be cleaned because the city smells awful and someone will have to clean it. We already have volunteer organizations in the present day despite the system.
Because some tasks receive volunteers, any task society needs done will receive volunteers? I don’t think that’s true.
Completely unrelated, but are you (barsquid) the drunken alter ego of FlyingSquid by chance? Lol
Alternate joke: “or are you one GBP owned by a tavern?”
You hope.
I believe that once the useless/unproductive jobs are gone, people are free to do what they love to do ( as there is no threat of starvation) , there will be inventions (robots for example) to take care of tasks such as cleaning septic tanks , better designs reducing need for cleaning or even newer tech to do away with septic tanks.
Sounds like a daydream
Thing is a ton of people who could be thinking are instead forced to do repetitive labor for a living. While the automated septic cleaning robot probably won’t happen, I’m sure we’ll see waste reduction after allowing them to think instead of just survive
Yeah. consider how many masterpieces there are just unable to be made.
First of all I believe it’d be prudent to invent the slave robots and food replicators first, not just “hope someone invents them now that they’re bored.”
Furthermore I am fairly certain robotics and science-fictional tech would require highly skilled engineers who would have to go to school for it now that they’re “bored.” You can’t just be like “well I’m bored because I’m no longer a plumber I think I’ll invent a time machine.”
Yup. If socialism/communism actually produced innovations like this, all the various socialist economies would have gotten there already. But no, they all basically fell back on capitalism, because it turns out that people are kind of selfish and pitting people against each other in a competitive market tends to work better. It’s not ideal, but most if not all of the innovations have come from capitalist countries…
I still reckon communism will make a resurgence sometime in the future, maybe even in our lifetimes.
alas, tankies will never actually revolt. Too passive, too scared and sensitive. They need trigger words, lol. Can you imagine trying to revolt when they can’t handle certain stimuli?
I suppose none of the ‘isms work , until competition for resources is eradicated. When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources) , the greed goes away . This transformation needs spiritual (not religious) evolution too.
For all that to happen , population needs to go down (no genocide or wars , just education and birth control. Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap between each child birth and in around 800 years we can reach population goal of half a billion )
( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)
This sounds bs
That will always exist. If everyone has enough resources, we’ll compete for other stuff like status symbols. That’s just how human nature is, we’re never content and always want to progress relative to those around us.
And no, human population doesn’t need to go down. Every time we get to some number scientists pick for a maximum, we blow past it and figure out how to sustain the new population. I don’t see any reason for that to change, we’re remarkably good at solving problems we create, though frequently later than is comfortable. I don’t know where you’re pulling that 528 million figure from…