The only people not making good money are the PhD students who also teach. Even then most of us I think get more money than the undergraduates.
Even I as a student get something like £19,000 a year plus £40 per hour teaching rate for any classes I teach.
Either these people are manipulating you or there is something very wrong with academia in your country. Luckily moving countries is quite easy for academics as many Universities will hire foreign staff and there are often immigration laws in place for these kinds of people.
If this is Los Estados Unidos then it’s not surprising something is wrong. I still sincerely doubt what these guys are saying though. I suspect a lot of them either mismanaged their money badly or are just straight up lying. Nobody would work in academia in that country if things were that bad at every University.
I am telling you that even people further down in the hierarchy make good money. Either your academics are lying to you (which wouldn’t suprise me people are fucking greedy) or something has gone very wrong in your country. If we are talking about American it’s probably both of those things.
Oh interesting, your views inconveniently disagree with my experienced reality, which relates to numbers I can immediately look up because I have worked in that industry. I’m sorry about your views for you. A supermajority of teaching at American Higher Ed Institutions is done by people who get paid a couple hundred bucks per course hour, and teaching a 4:3 course-load under those conditions will not yield the numbers you are vaguely gesturing towards.
Go ahead, pick a school and look up their adjunct job offers.
My views are based on data from my own country. If that situation is that bad in Los Estados Unidos then leave. In my country the average lecturer salary is a bit over £40k per year which is above the average UK salary for all age groups. That again is for lecturers which are not the same as professors.
You still haven’t said what their salary actually is, just vaguely talked about hourly rates. Shouldn’t most lectures be full time employees? Are you saying most lectures aren’t full time in your country?
Edit: In the UK we actually have a dedicated visa for people with certain skills and qualifications like your academics. So if you wanted to move here you probably could: https://www.gov.uk/global-talent-researcher-academic
You’re the one making an argument here. So you’re the one who should be doing research. Yet it seems I’ve done more research than you in this conversation.
Yes except lecturers also make bank.
The only people not making good money are the PhD students who also teach. Even then most of us I think get more money than the undergraduates.
Even I as a student get something like £19,000 a year plus £40 per hour teaching rate for any classes I teach.
Either these people are manipulating you or there is something very wrong with academia in your country. Luckily moving countries is quite easy for academics as many Universities will hire foreign staff and there are often immigration laws in place for these kinds of people.
Yeah, I think, uhh, that something is very wrong with our whole country is actually the whole point of the meme?
If this is Los Estados Unidos then it’s not surprising something is wrong. I still sincerely doubt what these guys are saying though. I suspect a lot of them either mismanaged their money badly or are just straight up lying. Nobody would work in academia in that country if things were that bad at every University.
i told him directly “Nobody is talking about whatever ivory tower caste system you are talking about” and he didn’t listen
edit, clarity: it isn’t normal to be British
I am telling you that even people further down in the hierarchy make good money. Either your academics are lying to you (which wouldn’t suprise me people are fucking greedy) or something has gone very wrong in your country. If we are talking about American it’s probably both of those things.
Oh interesting, your views inconveniently disagree with my experienced reality, which relates to numbers I can immediately look up because I have worked in that industry. I’m sorry about your views for you. A supermajority of teaching at American Higher Ed Institutions is done by people who get paid a couple hundred bucks per course hour, and teaching a 4:3 course-load under those conditions will not yield the numbers you are vaguely gesturing towards.
Go ahead, pick a school and look up their adjunct job offers.
My views are based on data from my own country. If that situation is that bad in Los Estados Unidos then leave. In my country the average lecturer salary is a bit over £40k per year which is above the average UK salary for all age groups. That again is for lecturers which are not the same as professors.
You still haven’t said what their salary actually is, just vaguely talked about hourly rates. Shouldn’t most lectures be full time employees? Are you saying most lectures aren’t full time in your country?
Edit: In the UK we actually have a dedicated visa for people with certain skills and qualifications like your academics. So if you wanted to move here you probably could: https://www.gov.uk/global-talent-researcher-academic
Sorry bud I don’t get paid to do your research for you. If only there were people whose job that were.
You’re the one making an argument here. So you’re the one who should be doing research. Yet it seems I’ve done more research than you in this conversation.