This one is oddly specific. So if Harris doesn’t exactly and precisely have that one specific view, then she would be a sock puppet no matter how far apart her beliefs are from Bidens?
Oddly? you say?
Yes, it’s very odd to have a specific view about “breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” in the definition of sock puppetry. So in other words, “breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” is sock puppetry and “breaking Israeli law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” is not because the word US isn’t in there.
The Leahy laws are specific. Have you heard of those?
They’ve been mentioned a few times in the news recently. But they don’t seem to have any reference to sock puppetry. If you disagree, please show me the text of the relevant section of that law that defines it along with a proper analysis.
And you ship weapons or you dont. You see nuance there huh. Thats telling.
Of course. There’s a huge difference if the US is shipping only a single pistol with a single bullet in a century vs tens of thousands of nuclear armed ICBMs every single day. What the US is currently shipping to Israel under Biden lies somewhere between these two extremes (and imvho it’s still a bit too much, but I’ve already explained why I have hope that Harris will bring it down).
The fact that you can’t see nuance here is even more telling.
You see nuance there huh.
A bit surprised to see this as I didn’t mention nuance in the earlier quotes.
You quoted me a link from a tiny Israeli site that has a yellow war ribbon in their logo.
“Israelhayam” a far right low factual reporting website. That one of your favorites?
No, but the point is that even these guys are worried about Harris staying committed to the current level of arms shipments. If even folks of this flavour and persuasion are worried, then that’s very suggestive, no?
If you want to pretend laws arent laws, I dont know what to tell you. You cant just declare that reality is meaningless unless it adheres to your current most convenient outcome. This is exactly the centrist rot at the core of the party. We increasingly stand for nothing but a cult of personality as long as its slightly better than republicans, and thats not the dem party or the “America” I grew up with.
Biden pretends to push back but he never has actually pulled the trigger on any actual pushback.
So we were talking about Harris. Anyways, “pulled the trigger on any actual pushback” is a bit ambiguous - for example, some would argue that withholding 2,000 pound bombs while resuming 500 pound bomb deliveries (as per the above articles) is exactly that kind of pushback, while otherwise would say it’s a meaningless gesture.
And a pause – essentially a delay in shipping, Same as your amazon package getting delayed. Even if it was true and not made up, its is a meangless performative gesture at best.
Well, not quite the same as having an amazon package getting delayed. With amazon, you can get refunded (and then buy the same item from another vendor, say in person in a storefront) or have another of the same item reshipped to you (in the hopes of getting back faster). In either case it’d likely be resolved long before hitting five months.
In this case, there’s likely no other vendor to turn to for 2,000lb bombs. And there’s no question of reshipping or anything. So here we are five months later, with the pause fully in place.
Biden has used exactly zero of his levers to move toward peace, and 100 percent of his levers to encourage the expansion and impunity of a bloodthirsty genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Hmm…
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned their Israeli counterparts in a letter dated Sunday that it must increase the amount of humanitarian aid being allowed into Gaza within the next 30 days or Israel could risk losing access to U.S. weapons funding.
Harris … called for Palestinian “freedom and self-determination”.
If this “will continue the same course that he has charted” then yes she will.
Fair to ask Harris to go further.
But again, she’s not a sock puppet and has already distinguished herself on this topic from Biden.
Yes, it’s very odd to have a specific view about “breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” in the definition of sock puppetry. So in other words, “breaking US law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” is sock puppetry and “breaking Israeli law about enabling regimes plausibly commiting war crimes” is not because the word US isn’t in there.
They’ve been mentioned a few times in the news recently. But they don’t seem to have any reference to sock puppetry. If you disagree, please show me the text of the relevant section of that law that defines it along with a proper analysis.
Of course. There’s a huge difference if the US is shipping only a single pistol with a single bullet in a century vs tens of thousands of nuclear armed ICBMs every single day. What the US is currently shipping to Israel under Biden lies somewhere between these two extremes (and imvho it’s still a bit too much, but I’ve already explained why I have hope that Harris will bring it down).
The fact that you can’t see nuance here is even more telling.
A bit surprised to see this as I didn’t mention nuance in the earlier quotes.
No, but the point is that even these guys are worried about Harris staying committed to the current level of arms shipments. If even folks of this flavour and persuasion are worried, then that’s very suggestive, no?
That said, it’s fair to ask for alternative sources if one is suspect. So happy to help again, thus here’s a different source, a non-Israeli progoganda source, for the same information: https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/washington-policy-weekly-harris-supports-pause-on-2000-pound-bombs-to-israel/
Again, happy to correct you!
Indeed it was, as per https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/10/biden-resumes-sending-israel-bombs
And it remained so even in late September, as per https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/28/world/middleeast/israel-nasrallah-bunker-buster-bombs.html
If you want to pretend laws arent laws, I dont know what to tell you. You cant just declare that reality is meaningless unless it adheres to your current most convenient outcome. This is exactly the centrist rot at the core of the party. We increasingly stand for nothing but a cult of personality as long as its slightly better than republicans, and thats not the dem party or the “America” I grew up with.
So we were talking about Harris. Anyways, “pulled the trigger on any actual pushback” is a bit ambiguous - for example, some would argue that withholding 2,000 pound bombs while resuming 500 pound bomb deliveries (as per the above articles) is exactly that kind of pushback, while otherwise would say it’s a meaningless gesture.
Well, not quite the same as having an amazon package getting delayed. With amazon, you can get refunded (and then buy the same item from another vendor, say in person in a storefront) or have another of the same item reshipped to you (in the hopes of getting back faster). In either case it’d likely be resolved long before hitting five months.
In this case, there’s likely no other vendor to turn to for 2,000lb bombs. And there’s no question of reshipping or anything. So here we are five months later, with the pause fully in place.
Hmm…
Source: https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-oil-nuclear-sites-biden-f5dd702de7d990dd1d00f665e1484dee
And that was followed up by, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-gaza-aid-letter-blinken-austin-warning-netanyahu-government-rcna175657
From https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/06/kamala-harris-israel-arms-biden ,
If this “will continue the same course that he has charted” then yes she will.
Fair to ask Harris to go further.
But again, she’s not a sock puppet and has already distinguished herself on this topic from Biden.