Looks like I might be retiring my 2007 Tundra EDIT: $7K for all needed repairs on the Tundra. Under 100k miles. Not all repairs must be done immediately, but all probably within a year.

I’m just starting the search. I want used, probably certified, good fuel economy, all weather handling ability, and decent cargo space. I like a lot of room in the cabin (I’ve been using Suburu station wagons recently, and they are very cramped). I also will not tolerate digital surveillance, or subscription-only access to physically installed hardware. And I too, come from the Tom Paris school of wanting physical buttons dials and switches for everything (the displays in the suburus are blinding at night, even the speedometer! (and I do NOT need to know my fuel economy from second to second, Suburu - How could you possibly thing flashing that in my face with a bright light is useful in any way?!)))

    • @jordanlund
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      04 hours ago

      Once you drive it, it’s no longer a new car.

      • @[email protected]
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        54 hours ago

        Sure, now, and then. Past, present. Time it’s a flat circle.

        A “new car” can be commonly / casually defined as:

        1. You are the first owner.
        2. It is the current, or nearly current year model.

        Source: my dog

        • @jordanlund
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          -14 hours ago

          Try selling it back to a dealer, you aren’t getting a new car price.

          Source: Reality.

            • @jordanlund
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              13 hours ago

              Correct. Because everyone drives a used car. :)

              • @[email protected]
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                3 hours ago

                At the time of transaction, the car then fails my “authoritative” (lol) definition.

                Before then, if you’re the first owner, only the manufacturer date is in play. Your car is “new” for a year or two.

                The dealership cannot acquire a “new” car from you because it would not be the “first” owner, if we assume cars with no miles on them, straight from the factory, haven’t had an “owner”