The question is only whether you consider ironic racism (in this case mocking 19th and 20th century “race science” with reversals of focus) to be racism regardless.
I don’t think so, but there’s also always elements of Poe’s Law to consider. Not to mention that, for example, British and American racists literally said these things unironically about Germans, reaching fever pitches in WW1.
Though seriously, in Tropic Thunder, Kirk Lazarus is a satirical character whose method of acting goes to such lengths that it becomes offensive, hence why he’s in blackface.
Like it’s supposed to be offensive, that’s the entire point. It’s satirising the film industry’s portrayal of war and the actors in the industry. They even point this out in the film itself, lol, it’s a key part of it.
Using satire to back up your deflection unironically is certainly… something. Haven’t seen that before. But the original post has no satire, punchline, or even anything witty. It’s just plain racism.
We all know words can’t really express sarcasm or other underlying feelings or meanings very clearly. Without a /s your only able to assume if the they did or didn’t actually mean that.
So what’s the joke? Are they’re pretending to be racist without the topic (rammstein) ever mentioning race to begin with?
I don’t buy that. ‘Please excuse me. I’m just going to be sarcastically racist without anyone previously mentioning race!’ – It’s straight out of the alt-right playbook; when called out, claim it’s a sarcastic, ironic joke!
Right, but there’s enough social context going on to generally assume that stans for the philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles probably don’t actually consider Germans a form of untermensch.
They’re being ironic and edgy. Probably.
The question is only whether you consider ironic racism (in this case mocking 19th and 20th century “race science” with reversals of focus) to be racism regardless.
I don’t think so, but there’s also always elements of Poe’s Law to consider. Not to mention that, for example, British and American racists literally said these things unironically about Germans, reaching fever pitches in WW1.
If you say any group of people are prone to rape because of their brains, then that is racist.
Do you, for example, think Robert Downey Jr’s blackface in Tropic Thunder was racism or a criticism of racism?
Did he say ‘the African American brain is prone to sexual assault’?
That is one of the traditional meanings of blackface, yes.
It’s also clear that the intended meaning of the act is innately critical of that mentality.
If you disagree that it is acceptable that’s valid but ignoring that the act was at least an attempt at well intentioned criticism is just dishonest.
Of fucking course you’re here with a heaping helping of terrible opinions.
Thanks for sharing, but my doctor said I should avoid false-pretenses used to destroy honest discussion.
Feel free to block me, it’s not like you’ve ever said anything of value so neither of us will miss anything.
Though seriously, in Tropic Thunder, Kirk Lazarus is a satirical character whose method of acting goes to such lengths that it becomes offensive, hence why he’s in blackface.
Like it’s supposed to be offensive, that’s the entire point. It’s satirising the film industry’s portrayal of war and the actors in the industry. They even point this out in the film itself, lol, it’s a key part of it.
Using satire to back up your deflection unironically is certainly… something. Haven’t seen that before. But the original post has no satire, punchline, or even anything witty. It’s just plain racism.
Oh, I must’ve missed that line of dialogue.
We all know words can’t really express sarcasm or other underlying feelings or meanings very clearly. Without a /s your only able to assume if the they did or didn’t actually mean that.
So what’s the joke? Are they’re pretending to be racist without the topic (rammstein) ever mentioning race to begin with?
I don’t buy that. ‘Please excuse me. I’m just going to be sarcastically racist without anyone previously mentioning race!’ – It’s straight out of the alt-right playbook; when called out, claim it’s a sarcastic, ironic joke!
No clue, could be either. It’s text on a screen and the only emotion present, is the one you decide to apply to it.
Ask them if it was a joke or not to be sure, and if you have to ask, it’s because it might not be.
Sounds like you’re going to lengths to defend this behaviour or to differentiate it.
No apologia is allowed
Actually no, the hexbear comment is clearly bad in my opinion, regardless of if it was sarcasm.
Ironically, I’m of German descent, but whichever heritage someone is in my opinion would be the same.
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Good, I’m glad you can agree it’s bad. You have to be very vigilant against the alt-right playbook—no defending sarcasm or if it’s a joke.
when you are with your peer group and use sarcasm, you probably also don’t label it as such.
That’s a fair point, id just consider that as an inside joke I guess.
Right, but there’s enough social context going on to generally assume that stans for the philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles probably don’t actually consider Germans a form of untermensch.
Most of them aren’t actual Marxists, that’s a facade for them to spread disinformation and divisive content.