• @hark
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    252 months ago

    Both. It’s kind of like asking if monarchy is the problem or if the problem is just evil kings. Theoretically even a dictatorship can work out well for the people given a benevolent dictator. The issue is with the vulnerabilities inherent in the system. For capitalism, it’s that those with more money have more influence and thus it creates a feedback loop where those with more money have more power to get themselves more money and therefore more power and so on.

    • @ClinicallydepressedpoochieOP
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      02 months ago

      Is it the same though? Monarchy are built around the idea that there will be kings. Is nepotism enshrined in the capitalist idea?

      • @InternetCitizen2
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        82 months ago

        Is nepotism enshrined in the capitalist idea?

        Unofficially. People start business for their benefit. Hiring family members is a good way to keep most of the money in the family. Similar with making deals with close freinds; like hiring your plumber buddy at the apartment you own and trying to pass the bill to the tenants or something. The thing is that nepotism just makes sense in a lot of places.

        • @ClinicallydepressedpoochieOP
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          2 months ago

          Right, only in the same way meritocracy manifests itself in a capitalist system. In this way a 1 to 1 comparison to a monarchy can’t be made.

          • @InternetCitizen2
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            72 months ago

            King also needs a few competent officers, but the highest management needs to be loyal. A corporation works similarly. When is the last time a CEO reported their own pollution or other wrong doing as a company?

            • @ClinicallydepressedpoochieOP
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              02 months ago

              Capitalism isn’t about establishing monolithic corporations. We’ve made it that and maybe that’s a result but it’s not built into the system.

              • @InternetCitizen2
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                52 months ago

                I mean we can talk about what it is or is not by some definition, but that is similar to tankies saying this or that is not real communism. The reality is that that is what we observe. A big part of capitalism is personal economic gain and nepotism, monopoly, and other un competitive practices are conducive to those goals; further it is powerless to stop them.

                • @ClinicallydepressedpoochieOP
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                  If we were to have an honest discussion we would certainly have to agree on a shared definition of capitalism. So I don’t really care what tankies do or don’t do.

                  The point of asking the question wasn’t to troubleshoot capitalism ad hoc. It was to develop discussion around these ideas and inspire critical thinking. Unfortunately, most would rather stroke their ego then explore alternative ways of thinking.

                  • @InternetCitizen2
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                    42 months ago

                    Unfortunately, most would rather stroke their ego then explore alternative ways of thinking.

                    I mean there are some pretty fair criticisms of capitalism in the sub. You also did not provide your own definition of capitalism up top either, so we can only speculate what you think it is and we can only answer what we observe it to be.

                    I think I made my case on why I think the way I think.