• OBJECTION!
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    When did I say anything about being “so singularly focused […] that they are unable to enact policy”?

    Right here, in the part I quoted:

    due to how our government is structured and how elections work, an administration gets maybe two years (more like 12-18 months) of actual governing before they have to start focusing on getting (re)elected.

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      You seem to have misconstrued what “actual governing” means in this context

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        Then what did you mean by that? Because I think it’s pretty reasonable to interpret “actual governing” as “enacting meaningful policy.”

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          One can enact policy for many reasons, not just legitimate efforts to govern effectively. Enacting policy for the sake of political expediency is still enacting policy, but not what I would consider actual governing

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            Ok, so my interpretation of “actual governing” as “enacting meaningful policy” is correct? Or does meaningful policy not count as actual governing if it’s done for the sake of earning people’s support? I can’t make heads or tails of your terms.

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              Are you implying policy only has meaning if it supports your specific goals? Because there has been plenty of meaningful policy that does absolutely nothing to protect or advance the very narrow goals you’ve defined above in this conversation, or even what one might call moral and ethical. What exactly is “meaningful” when it comes to policy? That is such a vague, garage term in this context

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                Are you implying policy only has meaning if it supports your specific goals?

                No? I have no idea how you got any of that from what I said.

                I’m just trying to make sense of what the hell it means to “actually govern” if not “enacting meaningful policy.” I thought maybe you were suggesting that, after the initial period of actually governing and enacting policy, they spend the rest of the time enacting meaningless bullshit policies that might win votes but don’t actually affect anything. Based on your response, I’m guessing that’s not what you meant, but that just leaves me even more in the dark about what you do mean.

                Can you please just spell out the distinction you’re making? If they’re enacting meaningful policy, how is that not “actually governing?” Stop making me guess.

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              See? It’s as I expected. I may not have the patience to deal with you, but I knew others would. And it didn’t end well for you, bud.

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                I’m glad that I have you as a totally fair and neutral arbitrator on whether or not I “got wrecked.” You definitely hadn’t already decided that would be your conclusion before seeing any of it.

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                  Oh it absolutely was. I’ve dealt with you before. I knew exactly how this would go down. You’re just that predictable.