• punkisundead [they/them]M
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    -13 days ago

    throw some shade at these voting people, implying that they might not be willing to resist Trump.

    Well last time Trump won the voting people did not resist at large. Instead they waited around 4 years, voted him out and then again did not do much for 4 years again. What makes you believe they will resist in any meaningful way this time?

    I hope your not voting and hoping plan

    This just shows you are actually not engaging with me but with a straw person. This is something I never said and you know it.

    But everything you’re advocating as a strategy of stopping Trump from coming to power makes absolutely no sense to me.

    Which strategies you are referring to? I did not mention any specific ones in our discussions. It again feels like you are actually engaging with your perception of me and not actually my positions.

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      Well last time Trump won the voting people did not resist at large. Instead they waited around 4 years, voted him out and then again did not do much for 4 years again. What makes you believe they will resist in any meaningful way this time?

      Wow.

      So you looked at this set of circumstances:

      • Too many people !notvoted in 2016
      • We got some horrors
      • Nobody rose up or did anything
      • So fewer people !notvoted in 2020, which finally improved the situation, although it’s all far, far from solved
      • Now we’re facing the prospect of more horrors, in a much worse fashion this time

      And your solution is more !notvoting, and predicting that if no one rises up or does anything, it’ll be the voting people’s fault, when the horrors come.

      Sterling.

      This just shows you are actually not engaging with me but with a straw person. This is something I never said and you know it.

      You have a reasonable point here. I looked over your profile. It looks like you like anarchism, anarchist graffiti, you like organizing and direct action. That’s gold. I like it. It got me thinking about a cafe in my area which I think I should go to and talk to the people about getting involved in some sort of direct action myself. I do think that part of it is great, and a valuable thing.

      The only place you lost me is where you specifically are advocating for throwing away a powerful tool for making change. It sounds like not voting because Hillary wasn’t good enough was what fucked up the country so much after 2016, and voting was what got things back in a better direction in 2020, and now the prospect of not voting carries with it the threat of a new unfolding horror show that’s substantially worse than 2016.

      I’m glad you’re okay with millions of people of the wrong ethnicity suffering or dying under Trump, just to teach the Democrats a lesson. I am not.

      I don’t think it’s either-or, in terms of making change. I think you can vote, and also do direct action. I think not voting in the face of what’s in front of us is a careless and irresponsible choice.

      That’s what I feel about it.

      • punkisundead [they/them]M
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        13 days ago

        The only place you lost me is where you specifically are advocating for throwing away a powerful tool for making change.

        Voting is not a powerful tool to make change imo. It literally gives the chance to make change away to someone else.

        I think you can vote, and also do direct action.

        I think so too. You can do that. I wont and I will not change that for the foreseeable future, so instead it might be more useful to find the things we have in common and look for ways where we can cooperate to stop Trump while dismantling the current world and social order that is build on patriarchy and white supremacy.