Congratulations on constructing the largest straw man I have ever seen. Almost nothing you said was relevant to the discussion.
That’s also you, not knowing what the fuck you’re talking about.
We are talking about the draft, not simple military service. That is something you have exactly as much experience in as I do. None. But you will be happy to know that people can learn about things without personally experiencing them and can have educated opinions about these things.
That’s what this all breaks down to. Opinion.
You think you are factually correct and I think I am factually correct. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Your streak of taking one line out of a litany of corrections is going strong. Congratulations on that. It’s almost like that’s how someone could form a strawman. By cherry picking the least they can from another’s argument without providing further context. Where have I seen that before?
You haven’t addressed anything I brought up. Like how I do have direct experience with the results of women not having autonomy over their bodies. How I was raised in a family that has a history of the draft. How I’ve lived a very similar experience to that of someone who was drafted.
We are talking about the draft, not simple military service.
No, we are talking about a false equivalency that you made. You can move the goal posts all you want. I have direct lived experience with the results of abortions being illegal. You do not. I have lived experience in the military and was raised by a drafted Vietnam Vet. You were not. You have a problem with equating things that are not the same.
It’s not a straw man when I’m directly quoting your argument.
Others in this thread have pointed out just how wrong you are.
Your ego won’t let you give this up and apologize. I guess I can understand that. But others need to understand just how wrong you are. People need to understand just how wrong you were when you said
Has nobody heard of the fucking draft? I would say forcing someone to go die in a war is the ultimate legislating of a person’s body.
You won’t address that directly though, because you can’t. It’s indefensible. Almost like you say contrarian and inflammatory things on the internet for fun.
I have said nothing to apologize for. I took one line out because it was the only line that wasn’t obfuscation or misdirection away from the point. Nothing you said besides that is worth addressing because it is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that you and I were both raised by men who were drafted. It doesn’t matter that we both have had women close to us struggle to get an abortion. Lived experience is anecdotal evidence that is not proof in itself. It is simply one data point. You and I disagree and that’s okay. You can believe I am wrong, and I can believe you are wrong. It’s okay for people to have different options, right?
No it matters that you will not address the bullshit men’s rights talking point you’re dancing around. The Draft is in no way shape or form an equivalency to the centuries of legislation against women’s bodies.
My lived experience is what I’m using to support my refutation of that. The Wikipedia links and sources I’ve posted support my refutation of that.
It’s not an opinion. It’s an internationally historic legacy of rape and pain vs a really shitty time for poor young men in America. Your attempt to appeal to my good nature doesn’t change that fact.
Internalize what I’ve said. Know you were wrong and apologize to any of the people you might’ve triggered with your bullshit false equivalency.
I’m not trying to make a comparison between the draft and centuries of legislation against women’s bodies. I’m saying that the statement that there are no laws controlling men’s bodies is incorrect because the draft has and could still exist. You seem to think I’m trying to prove that men have it worse and I’m not.
Congratulations on constructing the largest straw man I have ever seen. Almost nothing you said was relevant to the discussion.
We are talking about the draft, not simple military service. That is something you have exactly as much experience in as I do. None. But you will be happy to know that people can learn about things without personally experiencing them and can have educated opinions about these things.
That’s what this all breaks down to. Opinion.
You think you are factually correct and I think I am factually correct. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Your streak of taking one line out of a litany of corrections is going strong. Congratulations on that. It’s almost like that’s how someone could form a strawman. By cherry picking the least they can from another’s argument without providing further context. Where have I seen that before?
https://lemmy.world/comment/13108577
You haven’t addressed anything I brought up. Like how I do have direct experience with the results of women not having autonomy over their bodies. How I was raised in a family that has a history of the draft. How I’ve lived a very similar experience to that of someone who was drafted.
No, we are talking about a false equivalency that you made. You can move the goal posts all you want. I have direct lived experience with the results of abortions being illegal. You do not. I have lived experience in the military and was raised by a drafted Vietnam Vet. You were not. You have a problem with equating things that are not the same.
It’s not a straw man when I’m directly quoting your argument.
Others in this thread have pointed out just how wrong you are.
Your ego won’t let you give this up and apologize. I guess I can understand that. But others need to understand just how wrong you are. People need to understand just how wrong you were when you said
You won’t address that directly though, because you can’t. It’s indefensible. Almost like you say contrarian and inflammatory things on the internet for fun.
I have said nothing to apologize for. I took one line out because it was the only line that wasn’t obfuscation or misdirection away from the point. Nothing you said besides that is worth addressing because it is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter that you and I were both raised by men who were drafted. It doesn’t matter that we both have had women close to us struggle to get an abortion. Lived experience is anecdotal evidence that is not proof in itself. It is simply one data point. You and I disagree and that’s okay. You can believe I am wrong, and I can believe you are wrong. It’s okay for people to have different options, right?
No it matters that you will not address the bullshit men’s rights talking point you’re dancing around. The Draft is in no way shape or form an equivalency to the centuries of legislation against women’s bodies.
My lived experience is what I’m using to support my refutation of that. The Wikipedia links and sources I’ve posted support my refutation of that.
It’s not an opinion. It’s an internationally historic legacy of rape and pain vs a really shitty time for poor young men in America. Your attempt to appeal to my good nature doesn’t change that fact.
Internalize what I’ve said. Know you were wrong and apologize to any of the people you might’ve triggered with your bullshit false equivalency.
I’m not trying to make a comparison between the draft and centuries of legislation against women’s bodies. I’m saying that the statement that there are no laws controlling men’s bodies is incorrect because the draft has and could still exist. You seem to think I’m trying to prove that men have it worse and I’m not.
You might want to edit your original post to reflect that. Because I’m not the only person who’s replied to you that believes the same.