There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would (Harris has at least said she wants Israel to stop. Trump wants them to finish the job), but would also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.
Regardless of whether you do anything else to fight fascism or not, if you don’t vote, or you vote third party, you raise the chances that a Hitler admirer will enter the white house.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?
Did you even read any of that shit at all, or did you just decide to respond with a catty nothing clapback that preserves your own ego, while also calling me like. I dunno, pretentious, I guess?
Go read through that thread I linked, then read through the politics thread before that, and the thread before that. I dunno, just like, have been on the internet since the year 2000. Maybe even before. This shit, with the same exact responses, happens every election cycle, with the same idiotic arguments trotted out every year about whatever stupid issue decides to crop to the forefront, and nobody can ever elevate the conversation to actually be about what voting actually does, or what activism actually looks like. So the needle never gets moved. It’s all just, totally confined to some spectacular conversation where people decide to removed about politics as though they’re talking about celebrity drama. Nobody ever breaks through, everybody stays in their own little chambers, in their own little boxes, exactly where they’re supposed to be.
All of what I’m saying in that post, which I’ve probably made like, 4 or 5 times at this point, on this website alone, to say nothing of the times I’ve had to make that post on sites before it, is basic, civics 101 level stuff. It’s the basic functioning of the system in which we live, probably shit you should be required to learn before you start voting.
Fuck me, I guess, for being tired of restating myself over and over and over and over and over and over again, drowned out among a chorus of people deciding to actively harm the harris campaign by vote-scolding, like what you’re doing, which measurably, tangibly harms the thing you seem to want to succeed. I guarantee you, we all already know that the third parties are not going to get elected president. We all already know that shit.
all i know is that you wrote almost 1500 words about why voting is pointless and then did not provide any alternatives
you advocated for voting in local elections, but not before saying that voting in local elections is pointless because local politicians can be easily bribed. you advocated for joining unions, but not before saying one should be wary of doing so because unions can be captured by the institution, however that’s supposed to happen.
all there is in that thread is 1500 words of doomerism. fuck doomerism, ima vote.
by the way, stop putting your own words on a pedestal just because you wrote them when you were slightly less sleep deprived. i’ve tried it before. it rarely works out well.
Right I’m sure people are refusing to vote Harris over trains and not literal genocide lol
deep sigh
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?
I’m gonna lose it
tl;dr “nothing matters, everyone except me is an idiot”
truly i bow to your vast intellect
Did you even read any of that shit at all, or did you just decide to respond with a catty nothing clapback that preserves your own ego, while also calling me like. I dunno, pretentious, I guess?
Go read through that thread I linked, then read through the politics thread before that, and the thread before that. I dunno, just like, have been on the internet since the year 2000. Maybe even before. This shit, with the same exact responses, happens every election cycle, with the same idiotic arguments trotted out every year about whatever stupid issue decides to crop to the forefront, and nobody can ever elevate the conversation to actually be about what voting actually does, or what activism actually looks like. So the needle never gets moved. It’s all just, totally confined to some spectacular conversation where people decide to removed about politics as though they’re talking about celebrity drama. Nobody ever breaks through, everybody stays in their own little chambers, in their own little boxes, exactly where they’re supposed to be.
All of what I’m saying in that post, which I’ve probably made like, 4 or 5 times at this point, on this website alone, to say nothing of the times I’ve had to make that post on sites before it, is basic, civics 101 level stuff. It’s the basic functioning of the system in which we live, probably shit you should be required to learn before you start voting.
Fuck me, I guess, for being tired of restating myself over and over and over and over and over and over again, drowned out among a chorus of people deciding to actively harm the harris campaign by vote-scolding, like what you’re doing, which measurably, tangibly harms the thing you seem to want to succeed. I guarantee you, we all already know that the third parties are not going to get elected president. We all already know that shit.
all i know is that you wrote almost 1500 words about why voting is pointless and then did not provide any alternatives
you advocated for voting in local elections, but not before saying that voting in local elections is pointless because local politicians can be easily bribed. you advocated for joining unions, but not before saying one should be wary of doing so because unions can be captured by the institution, however that’s supposed to happen.
all there is in that thread is 1500 words of doomerism. fuck doomerism, ima vote.
by the way, stop putting your own words on a pedestal just because you wrote them when you were slightly less sleep deprived. i’ve tried it before. it rarely works out well.