Every time I open a js file from some project I have to tweak to use on my website, I get a brain aneurysm. that shit should never have been invented. python in the browser is the dream we are not allowed to have.
Idk, my only experience with python is that any app written in it doesn’t fucking work, throwing some esoteric error that has nothing to do with the error at hand and then me needing to look up what unholy specific version I need and manually setting up an environment for it. I dread the day when I’ll want to try some random project and yet again the only way to run it will be some shady ass python script.
JS is pure crack and has no right being the backbone of the web, but python is borderline unusable in my experience.
Dependency management is tough and often frustrating. Dealing with resolving dependency conflicts is unavoidable. This area is a constant focus of development, so could see improvements over time.
The new king on the block: uv. It can do everything poetry does, while also using a standard pyproject.toml (no more weird ^), and it’ll handle the Python version for you, so no faffing about with manually installing anything. Just uv sync and off you go!
Downside: not compatible with virtualenvwrapper, as it’ll force its .venv in the local folder.
It’s also still under heavy development and breaking changes are still expected, but it’s already super nice to use.
Same guys (Astral) also made ruff the formatter/linter that they intend to eventually integrate into uv, IIRC.
I’m running all my personal projects under uv and am having a blast. It’s so fast.
Every time I open a js file from some project I have to tweak to use on my website, I get a brain aneurysm. that shit should never have been invented. python in the browser is the dream we are not allowed to have.
ps: I am just a hobbyist ! so take it lightly.
Idk, my only experience with python is that any app written in it doesn’t fucking work, throwing some esoteric error that has nothing to do with the error at hand and then me needing to look up what unholy specific version I need and manually setting up an environment for it. I dread the day when I’ll want to try some random project and yet again the only way to run it will be some shady ass python script.
JS is pure crack and has no right being the backbone of the web, but python is borderline unusable in my experience.
I avoid anything written in Python. It’s not the language at fault it’s the ease of entry so you get a lot of low quality software.
U are not wrong.
Dependency management is tough and often frustrating. Dealing with resolving dependency conflicts is unavoidable. This area is a constant focus of development, so could see improvements over time.
Some packages to keep an eye on:
pip & setuptools
pip-tools (specifically pip-compile)
https://pypi.org/project/pip-compile-multi/
poetry
Any others i’ve missed?
The new king on the block:
uv. It can do everythingpoetrydoes, while also using a standardpyproject.toml(no more weird^), and it’ll handle the Python version for you, so no faffing about with manually installing anything. Justuv syncand off you go!Downside: not compatible with virtualenvwrapper, as it’ll force its .venv in the local folder.
It’s also still under heavy development and breaking changes are still expected, but it’s already super nice to use.
Same guys (Astral) also made
ruffthe formatter/linter that they intend to eventually integrate intouv, IIRC.I’m running all my personal projects under
uvand am having a blast. It’s so fast.Somebody should write a python to javascript transpiler for the web…
(please don’t actually do that)
There’s a Python WASM runtime, if you really want to run python in a browser for some reason…
https://github.com/wasmerio/wasmer-python
Ooh, neat. There’s also puepy, which was linked further down in this thread. It’s really cool to see more WASM projects pop up.
Wasm feels like yet another bloat layer on top of the existing web mess :((
at least it’s not on top of js!
At least until it gets direct dom manipulation and multithreading…
https://pyscript.net/