• @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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    791 month ago

    I think both Dems and Republicans suck in very different and not proportionate ways, but I am also a very big proponent of voting. Go vote! It’s your duty.

    • @IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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      691 month ago

      I find that the thing people need to remember is that the general election is purely damage control time. For actual change, and getting candidates that don’t suck, the work needs to already be done by the time the election rolls around.

      • themeatbridge
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        251 month ago

        Politics is marketing. Governing is the slow boring of hard boards. You only get there with dilligence, conviction, and commitment to the idea that you are planting the trees that will shade your grandchildren.

      • Guy Dudeman
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        1 month ago

        The local candidates and party officials matter more than the final presidential vote. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote for President.

      • Omega
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        21 month ago

        Right, the election is the Primary. In this case it was 2020 when I voted for Burnie. Biden won (and then handed over to Harris). That’s who was chosen, and I’m okay with that.

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      1 month ago

      I find OP’s post functionally defeatest. It hinges on this theory that there really is only one choice every election season. You must vote Democrat - whether it’s Sherrod Brown or Eric Adams - and you can never question how these officials behave during an election season.

      The Dems don’t have any real duty towards their voters, or even an obligation to do a particularly good job of governing. They can just point at Republicans, say “Worse! Vote for us or that’s who you get”, then blast people with anxiety-inducing advertisement until folks panic.

      The end result of this system is one in which Dems win by maximizing anxiety, rather than improving quality of life for anyone.

      • @jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        71 month ago

        Which is why they lose. People literally tune them out. Unless they’re morons like myself who keep trying to help the Democrats.see their nonsense.

      • @JaymesRS@literature.cafeOP
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        51 month ago

        There are vastly larger numbers of choices in local and legislative races. And I encourage people to work hard to more variety in local and legislative races to push your values instead of only checking in every 4 years. The primary is the key time to push for who you want as the candidate.

        During the actual election though, with FPTP, it unfortunately is that reductive. You are stuck choosing who is the lesser evil or who you want to push for change. The November presidential election is like public transportation. You may not like the conditions of the train or the exact destination the bus ends up at, but you take the bus that gets you closer to your destination.

      • @curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        211 month ago

        I’d say most people think a wasted vote in a contentious election with a racist, rapist, fascist who wants to end democracy is stupid.

        If you were to say, I don’t know, be working with local parties at the town, city, and state level to grow them and get them into positions, making them viable for the presidency down the road - not stupid! Awesome, in fact.

        Telling people vote for a 3rd party in this presidential election?

        Stupid. Very, very stupid. Yes, it will be frowned upon. Because its stupid. And people should be telling you how stupid it is. Because it is.

      • @JaymesRS@literature.cafeOP
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        151 month ago

        If you want to organize and elect socialists at local levels of power who form coalitions with other left wing groups to coordinate against conservatives, I will help you do it.

        If you do nothing but whine online and avoid politics to vote for a socialist candidate every 4 years during the presidential elections in a FPTP system, you’re a moron.

      • @Passerby6497
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        81 month ago

        In my experience, most people voting for 3rd parties care more for their own sense of morals than they do with actual outcomes. This election has not changed that in the slightest, and it’s even more open and obvious when the question of ‘ok, then what happens?’ comes up. I’ve been told by a supposed anti-genocide person that it’s ok if Palestinians get genocide harder because of the Democrats win they won’t pay attention to the progressives.

        Like, how can you take someone seriously that is openly advocating for a path that makes their cause worse?