I’m sure like everywhere a couple people cheat the system. But using that to excuse the marginalisation of disabled people who can’t work is disingenuous at best.
Where, in your examples, it takes lawyers and years to get benefits.
Can you prove there isn’t a freeloader problem, in your situation, as each case takes years of legal resolution?
We can only refer to anecdotal experience, or gross numbers. 1 out of 10 working age people are on disability in Belgium. What’s the gross ratio where you live?
About 1 in 12, and I know a couple people who need it but have been refused.
By the way, just so you know I’m leaving your comments up because people have put a lot of effort into making good replies. But if that wasn’t the case, many of them don’t fit within the rules.
It doesn’t sound like you’re bad faith, but this is number one a support group for disabled people, so repeating harmful stereotypes about freeloaders or whatever would generally be removed.
I used to study social data science. A couple of my projects, including masters thesis were dedicated to disability, but I didn’t specialise in disability specifically.
And then I became heavily disabled myself (by utter unluckiness).
So while I did work in a similar field this is mostly coming from personal experience.
and your sources to back that up are…?
I’m sure like everywhere a couple people cheat the system. But using that to excuse the marginalisation of disabled people who can’t work is disingenuous at best.
That’s indeed an issue. By definition an elephant is an elephant, even if it has great manes and hunts antilopes in the savanna.
so your claim that there is a freeloading problem is not backed by data?
The situation here is simply reversed.
Where, in your examples, it takes lawyers and years to get benefits.
Can you prove there isn’t a freeloader problem, in your situation, as each case takes years of legal resolution?
We can only refer to anecdotal experience, or gross numbers. 1 out of 10 working age people are on disability in Belgium. What’s the gross ratio where you live?
About 1 in 12, and I know a couple people who need it but have been refused.
By the way, just so you know I’m leaving your comments up because people have put a lot of effort into making good replies. But if that wasn’t the case, many of them don’t fit within the rules.
It doesn’t sound like you’re bad faith, but this is number one a support group for disabled people, so repeating harmful stereotypes about freeloaders or whatever would generally be removed.
Not that dissimilar. Can you please provide a source?
That would indeed be surprising information for me!
250k people on disability benefits + estimated 270k people on long term sick leave from work = 520k
the proportion of that to our 5.7 million working age population is about 1 in 12
two datasets used for calculation: https://www.bsv.admin.ch/bsv/fr/home/assurances-sociales/iv/statistik.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/fr/home/statistiques/travail-remuneration/activite-professionnelle-temps-travail/heures-travail/absences.html
Thank you. It’s indeed not that different. Going from 1 in 12 to 1 in 10 is not as great difference as I assumed.
I need to review my opinion on the magnitude of the freeloather problem.
I assume you might work in the field, given your chosen username?
I used to study social data science. A couple of my projects, including masters thesis were dedicated to disability, but I didn’t specialise in disability specifically.
And then I became heavily disabled myself (by utter unluckiness).
So while I did work in a similar field this is mostly coming from personal experience.