• @[email protected]
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    Wow, that degree of blatant racism is a new low for this community.

    So it’s ok to be racist as long as it’s against russians?

    • @Katana314
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      Racism or other forms of discrimination apply to a protected class of people; any group sharing attributes beyond their control (bearing dark skin, a particular place of birth, a religion, etc)

      Russians are a protected class. Vladimir Putin, the evil individual who ordered an unprovoked war on Ukraine causing thousands of innocent deaths, is not a protected class.

      While I have seen racist uses of monkey imagery towards black people, never have I seen it towards Russians. In conclusion, there is strong implication that this meme targets the latter, not the former.

      • @[email protected]
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        While I have seen racist uses of monkey imagery towards black people, never have I seen it towards Russians.

        Ever since Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, German discourse at least was full of racist remarks on how russians basically have no culture, aren’t even European, etc.

        I’d argue that comparing people to Apes should be judged just like depicting people like squids/kraken (which is an antisemitic caricature).

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        While I have seen racist uses of monkey imagery towards black people, never have I seen it towards Russians.

        Welcome to Lemmy. Get ready to see more and more racism towards russians.

    • @hitwrightOP
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      How do you find it racist? How is this meme directed against Russians? Do you really not see the familiarities between Putin and Adolf Hitler? Are you okay, mate?

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        Putin’s clearly supposed to look like a monkey in the picture (also: “Mein Banan”). I didn’t even see the connection to Hitler.

        • @hitwrightOP
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          Hitler is famous for his book “Mein Kampf” which translates to “My fight” the book cover is literally almost the same.

          Still don’t get how making fun of a warmonger using a history person makes me racist tho.

          Is it that you look highly at Putin and have embraced his cult of personality?

          • @Klear
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            83 months ago

            Putin is a race now, apparently.

            • @[email protected]
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              And I can’t be racist against muslims, because that’s a religion, not a race, amiright? /s

              =.=

              • @Klear
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                93 months ago

                OK, my bad. Putin is a religion.

                • @hitwrightOP
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                  43 months ago

                  I spilled my coffee laughing, LMAO xD

                  • @Klear
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                    33 months ago

                    Haha so true!

                  • @[email protected]
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                    Literally the only people in this thread I’ve seen saying Russians are subhuman, are the people clutching their pearls.

                    Do you feel the same way about Winnie the Pooh Xi Jinping?

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            Thanks, I know of Hitler and Mein Kampf. I even know German, wouldn’t you believe it. 🙄 (Also: the better translation would be “My Struggle”)

            Can’t you see that the image looks a lot like racist caricatures of when humans (usually plack people) where drawn like/compared to apes.

            Is it that you look highly at Putin and have embraced his cult of personality?

            WTF? Taking umbridge with racist imagery means that I’m a Putin simp now? Do you *reallyy think that racist caricatures are OK when it’s directed at the “right” people? O.o

            • @hitwrightOP
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              I guess I can see the connection you’re trying to make. But I can hardly still connect it to mindless rascism since there are quite a few reasons why monkey comparison is used.

              There is a cult of personality around Putin, or any other dictator. Where making fun of him, lands you in jail. Public images like that are a fight against it. (Like Jinping drawn like winnie pooh).

              Also I’m pretty sure that you’re the one being racist. Since you saw the monkey and instantly came to the conclusion of racism (with the example of black people). For shame.

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                But I can hardly still connect it to mindless rascism since there are quite a few reasons why monkey comparison is used.

                Are the reasons because russians are sub-humans, maybe? /s

                There is a cult of personality around Putin, or any other dictator. Where making fun of him, lands you in jail. Public images like that are a fight against it. (Like Jinping drawn like winnie pooh).

                Again: how does this excuse racism? You’re constantly dodging the issue.

                Also I’m pretty sure that you’re the one being racist.

                Ah, the good old alt-right defense of “I can’t be racist if I didn’t think about it. In fact, if you think aboutit, you’re the racist”-defense. 🙄

                • @hitwrightOP
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                  I guess you see Putin and think all Russians. Sad. You should really try to meet some. Quite interesting people with their own culture and traditions.

                  Also I’m pretty sure quite a lot of them right now would feel quite attacked by you grouping them with the Ape that decides it’s a good idea to casually launch ICBMs and risk preemptive response.

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                Caricaturing people of other ethnicities look like monkeys to degrade them has a looong, racist tradition. About 100 years ago, russians were considered a backwards, horde of uncivilized asian/mongols in Europe.

                I simply see these kinds of caricatures as racist. And I’m not alone in this.

                It’s about as cool as depicting him as a kraken (antisemitic), or as a drag queen, to “own” him.

                • @[email protected]
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                  33 months ago

                  People, not person. That’s the obvious difference you seem to be consequently ignoring here to try to incite discussion.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    So caricaturing Obama as a monkey wouldn’t be racist, then?

                    He would even “deserve” it, being a war criminal and all that.

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                    Apparently, I’m a russian asset for pointing this out.

                    Because racism is good if it targets the right people. /s

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                  About 100 years ago, russians were considered a backwards, horde of uncivilized asian/mongols in Europe.

                  About 100 years ago Europe had just faced Russian raping and pillaging in a world War, and they’d soon face it again in the next war. For all intents and purposes, they were a backward horde of uncivilized fucks.

                  But hey, they are sure proving they’re different nowadays, with them raping their way through another war.

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                    Yeah, it was the savage barbarism of the backwater russian nature that made the rusrian soldiers pillageeand rape our white women. No other nation’s army did anything of the sort. Let’s remember that the russians where the canonical bad guys of world war 1, 2 and 3. /s

        • @rdri
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          Made me think your point is that this picture is racism towards monkeys.

    • sepi
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      33 months ago

      You mad? You russian? If the answer is yes to either, thank you for making my day.

        • @[email protected]
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          Wait until you find out about the Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh images. If you think this is what racism is, you need to go back to school.

          • @[email protected]
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            Is there historical precedent of racist caricatures depicting a group of people as cute cartoon teddy bears?

            • @Jiggle_Physics
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              There is no historical precedent of racist depiction of russians as monkeys. there is however a history of racist depiction of russians as bears, including teddy bears.

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                From Wikipedia:

                However, Russians have also used it to represent their country, where it has been used as a “symbol of national pride”

                • @Jiggle_Physics
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                  It has also been used as a racist depiction by western media for a long time. These things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, using animals/animal symbols a cultural holds in high regard, as a racist caricature towards those cultures, is very common. But yes, the drunken, wild animal, bear depiction of russians has been used as a racist caricature for a long time. Bear toys are often used to emasculate a particular figure going with this theme.

    • @Mighty
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      Yeah I’m with you. This is crossing a line for me too