Seems like they are over complicating it…

“Evan’s younger brother had experienced some serious mental health issues and he was awaiting news of a diagnosis.”

“his mother was a schizophrenic and a heroin addict who often paid for her drug habit with sex. They were homeless, moving constantly. Often she would head off for days at a time, leaving Evan with friends or relatives, or sometimes on his own, without food. When he was 11, she took her own life”

“Evan’s father began to suffer with mental health issues. By the time the pandemic arrived, he was in full crisis, using drugs and worried enough about Covid that he had locked himself inside his house. For a week, Evan stayed with him, and they shuttled back and forth to hospital as his father experienced mounting phobias and suicidal thoughts, but refused treatment. At the end of that week, his father took his own life.”

Dude literally had the deck stacked against him.

“The real problem came when Evan inherited his share of his father’s estate – $170,000. He used some of the money to rent an apartment. “But I had extreme schizophrenia and I just filled it with trash because I was so out of my mind,” he says. “I was seeing faces dripping down the walls, I couldn’t even be in there.””

And this, kids, is why the “Housing First” model won’t work. Mental Health and addiction treatment have to come first THEN housing.

  • @jordanlundOPM
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    118 days ago

    Finland also has universal health care which the United States does not have. You guarantee people will get the mental and physical health treatment they need, the US refuses to do that.

    • @Dasus
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      218 days ago

      And again, refusing to answer how you think not being homeless prevents people from mental health care.

      • @jordanlundOPM
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        117 days ago

        If you can’t pay for housing, you can’t pay for health care, mental or otherwise and in the US, that’s the barrier to entry.

        • @Dasus
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          117 days ago

          The US not having social security doesn’t mean housing first is a bad policy.

          • @jordanlundOPM
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            017 days ago

            No, concentrating untreated psychotics and addicts into a single location makes it bad policy.

            • @Dasus
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              What does that even mean?

              Again. We use that policy. You don’t. I have experience. You don’t. None of you’re bullshit makes sense. Mine does.

              • @jordanlundOPM
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                017 days ago

                Housing first gives people housing without requiring them to enter mental health or addiction treatment.

                You don’t solve problems that way, you concentrate and amplify them. See all the stories throughout this thread on the continual failure of housing first.

                TREATMENT first, then housing.

                • @Dasus
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                  117 days ago

                  “Let’s wait until we’ve cured all mental illness to give housing to everyone.”

                  Yeah see the part in my first comment about how it’s “hard to talk to some Americans”? This is exactly what I mean. This is like talking to someone from a theocracy advocating to kill all the gays. There’s no commonality, there’s no way for me to reason to you, there’s nothing in the real world you’d respond to.

                  You just hold an opinion, and spam and spam and spam, like another pigheaded religious person.

                  Housing does not prevent treatment. Those aren’t either or things. Prioritising housing doesn’t mean “we’ll get them an apartment before getting them any help for their mental illness” as I’ve explained in tedious length several times, it means that the policy understands that the foundation of mental health is physical safety that comes from having a place to sleep that’s not the street.

                  This really isn’t hard.

                  Imagine how annoying it would be for you to try to talk to a 18th century slaveowner about how it’s not actually good for society to have slavery. Imagine just how annoying it would be to try to calmly talk the some slavers out of their “but they’re sub-human, they love working, I’m just helping them, I’m actually the good guy here”. Just imagine that for a bit.

                  And then realise that’s the exact conversation we’re having, and you’re on the wrong side of it.

                  • @jordanlundOPM
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                    017 days ago

                    No, let’s make sure people who need treatment get it before they fill their home with garbage and end up howling at faces on the wall that aren’t there.

                    If someone is homeless because they are mentally ill and/or addicted, just housing them does not solve that problem.