Before anyone gets the wrong idea, no, I’m not talking about the movie/show The Watchmen. I’m referring to the ancient philosophical question “quis custodiet ipsos custodes” or “who watches the watchmen”. Go read up on that elsewhere.

For those of you who don’t know and need a summary here, it’s a question often posed in reference to the fact that the person or people in charge of making sure the rules are honored have nothing preventing them from disobeying the rules. There’s never anything preventing the person guarding your treasure from stealing some of the treasure, for example.

What’s the best remedy to this that you can think of?

  • iii@mander.xyz
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    3 months ago

    Group with most weapons takes all, then infighting begins?

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        3 months ago

        What’s your definition of anarchism? How do you see it playing out?

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          3 months ago

          The same as everyone else’s - a society without hierarchy.

          I see it playing out perfectly fine, just like it has throughout human existence in numerous societies across the globe. But it takes a lot of work to get there.

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        Found some definition:

        the organization of society on the basis of voluntary cooperation, without political institutions or hierarchical government

        So, what makes me or anyone else voluntarily cooperate? What happens if I don’t?

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          Then you don’t get to participate? If you don’t want to play along with the commune then don’t. Have fun growing all your own food, mending all your own clothes, repairing your own structures, teaching your own kids…

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              Such a system has worked fine in plenty of places, you’re just conditioned to ignore them.

              We’re not making shit up, there have been anarchic societies for as long as humans have existed.

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                3 months ago

                it has worked until a centralized invader comes along.

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                  No, usually it was the Soviets turning back on deals they made. If it wasn’t for an important ally suddenly stabbing them in the back, the anarchists in Ukraine and Spain likely would’ve had much more success.

                  Regardless, the ability to defend the commune is top priority for us, obviously. I’d point to the Kurds in Syria currently as a decent approximation of an anarchic society that’s been defending itself every step of the way.

                  I’d also point to the tribes of Madagascar as described by David Graeber (RIP) in Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology, certain Taoist cultures, and numerous indigenous societies that worked just fine, thank you.