• @surph_ninja
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    -1115 days ago

    What was their coherent and sound policy?

    Dems just still believe they’re entitled to the working class vote, and aren’t willing to offer anything to earn it. Still the failed Clinton strategy of skipping them over, but counting on their votes anyway.

    • @brucethemoose
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      Uh, how about not giving the rich massive tax breaks and rocketing the national debt even higher so quickly? Anti inflation measures, support for higher wages? Actual support for unions, as tepid as it may be? Attempts to relieve debt? Let’s start with that.

      What exactly do you think Trump is even theoretically bringing that Dems aren’t?

      • @surph_ninja
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        -1915 days ago

        The Dems were not offering anything like that. You’re pulling that out of your ass.

        I didn’t say Trump was better. The Dems and GOP are two sides of the same fascist coin. We have to defeat them both.

        • @brucethemoose
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          1515 days ago

          Those were the basics of Harris’s platform. Tax the wealthy, support unions, tamper inflation.

          • @surph_ninja
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            -1715 days ago

            No, it wasn’t. There were some vague and empty promises, but that kinda thing is a hard sell when you’re already in power and not doing those things.

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              915 days ago

              Wait, so now they have “vague and empty promises”? I thought they couldn’t even be bothered to lie, and had nothing to offer, making a con-man preferable?

              I kinda feel like you’re just more mad at Democrats than you are at Republicans who are actually doing bad things.

              • @surph_ninja
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                015 days ago

                Yes, I am more mad at Democrats than Republicans. They’re both doing bad things, but the Dems are the ones trying to pretend they’re not and claiming they represent our interests. Doing what Dems have always done, and absorbing leftist energy to actively prevent change.

            • the post of tom joad
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              315 days ago

              Yeah it was funny to me having kamala literally copy-paste biden’s 2nd term agenda and then talk about the things she’d do when she’s in charge.

              I’m like, yo aren’t you VP? Maybe get bidens ear, get started now, put some skin in the game?

              When it’s time to mend the social safety net, Dems have this ongoing act, like they’re always on the campaign and not in power.

              • @surph_ninja
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                315 days ago

                Because the party has become completely focused on high dollar salaries for the consultants running these campaigns. And they wonder why that doesn’t translate into victory.

    • @NounsAndWords
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      1115 days ago

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/04/26/executive-order-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment/

      Do executive orders count?

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_the_Right_to_Organize_Act

      What about pro-union congressional bills that are being blocked by Republicans?

      What exactly is the Republican coherent and sound policy? Because the one I’ve seen is largely union-busting and cutting regulations on businesses. Democrats have definitely failed to show the work they’re doing and show how Republicans have fought tooth and nail to block and roll back worker protections, but it is entirely disingenuous to claim Dems “openly don’t give a shit about you.”

      • @surph_ninja
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        -1115 days ago

        When did I imply Republicans have anything better? Gonna blow your mind here: criticism of Dems is not support of Republicans.

        No, I’m not satisfied with symbolic efforts from Dems. Clearly, most of the country isn’t either.

        • @NounsAndWords
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          815 days ago

          If your only options are someone who openly doesn’t give a shit about you, or someone who pretends to (even though they’re probably lying), you’re better off taking a chance on the lie.

          There. Where you say republicans are probably lying but you’re better off taking a chance on a lie. If you hold both parties to a different standard to the detriment of one, you’re supporting one of those parties over the other.

          • @surph_ninja
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            -715 days ago

            You’re projecting your binary worldview onto me. Only way you could interpret it that way.

            • @[email protected]
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              515 days ago

              You’ve been projecting the insides of your asshole all over this fucking thread.

              Shut up fuck off and stop pulling shit out if that gaping barn door of an ass while lying through your fucking teeth.

              • @surph_ninja
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                015 days ago

                Y’all get so offended by any criticism of the Blue MAGA cult. Wild you can so smugly laugh at the Red MAGA cult at the same time. No self-awareness.

                • the post of tom joad
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                  215 days ago

                  Man the libs are not ok.

                  I hope many libs are quietly finding a new place on the left as the DNC leaves em, as their louder counterparts follow right and fash up. It’s really scary if that’s not the case.

                  • @surph_ninja
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                    215 days ago

                    Unfortunately, a lot of Dem supporters are following the party right instead. Never thought I’d see so many people deceive themselves into believing they’re the good ones, while openly supporting genocide.