• @gedaliyahM
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    I see the same deeply flawed copypasta on every thread about Israel. It speaks about Theodore Herzl, but doesn’t acknowledge that he envisioned a peaceful dual state of Jews and Arabs together. It talks about Jews who left Europe to go back to their homeland, but doesn’t mention the fact that the majority of Jewish Israelis are descended from people who never lived in Europe. It describes Jews “arriving” in the Land of Israel under British rule as though there were not already Jewish communities there when the Ottomans arrived in the 1500s. It leans heavily on the worship of Ilan Pappe, who has been criticized as “one of the world’s sloppiest historians” and has been accused of academic fraud. It mentions the increase in Jewish population in Palestine (about 590k from 1890-1947), but doesn’t mention that the Muslim population increased by even more over the same period. One of these migrant groups is assumed to be “native” while the other is called “colonizers” for reasons that are never justified.

    A copy-pasted wall of text with lots of links is no substitute for critical thinking and basic historical awareness. When a person spends far too long cherry-picking historical sources, they blind themselves to the broader picture and lose sight of the forest for the trees.

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      It speaks about Theodore Herzl, but doesn’t acknowledge that he envisioned a peaceful dual state of Jews and Arabs together

      Herzl explicitly talked about the ‘transfer’ of the native Palestinian people and about Zionism as a Colonialist Ideology. There is no peace in ethnic cleansing. Zionists explicitly rejected a Unitary state repeatedly before beginning Plan Dalet in 1947

      Jews who left Europe to go back to their homeland, but doesn’t mention the fact that the majority of Jewish Israelis are descended from people who never lived in Europe.

      The books linked do. Nor does that change the reality of Zionism as Settler Colonialism.

      It describes Jews “arriving” in the Land of Israel under British rule as though there were not already Jewish communities there when the Ottomans arrived in the 1500s.

      Again, they do. Especially the detailed history by both Ilan Pappe, Nur Masalha, and Rashid Khalidi. Explicitly the difference being that Zionist Settlers were engaging in ethnic cleansing.

      It leans heavily on the worship of Ilan Pappe, who has been criticized as “one of the world’s sloppiest historians” and has been accused of academic fraud

      By Benny Morris who considers the Nakba justified. The criticisms are unfounded. But regardless, read works by Rashid Khalidi, Avi Schlaim, Sara Roy, Nur Masalha, or Schlomo Sand. Far more reputable Historians agree with Ilan Pappe and recognize his work as highly credible.

      https://electronicintifada.net/content/response-benny-morris-politics-other-means-new-republic/5040

      It mentions the increase in Jewish population in Palestine (about 590k from 1890-1947), but doesn’t mention that the Muslim population increased by even more over the same period.

      Did you forget that the point is the Ethnic Cleansing, Occupation, and Apartheid? The reality of the Settlements in the West Bank? The Blockade that has been starving Gaza for decades?

      One of these migrant groups is assumed to be “native” while the other is called “colonizers” for reasons that are never justified.

      The Settler Colonialism. What are you on? The entire point of this links are to provide more details.

      A copy-pasted wall of text with lots of links is no substitute for critical thinking and basic historical awareness.

      Quite clear you lack both

      When a person spends far too long cherry-picking historical sources, they blind themselves to the broader picture and lose sight of the forest for the trees.

      You certainly have, there are a plethora of books that give the broader picture I already linked