• @[email protected]
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    Are you trolling? The double slit experiment debunks Marx that’s definitely a new one ngl.

    like the double slit experiment

    Fun fact: This experiment pre-dates Marx by about 17 years https://doi.org/10.1098%2Frstl.1804.0001

    he’s a materialist, and recent developments in physics have shaken materialism to its core, like the double slit experiment and observer effect and collapse of the wave function

    None of these things are in opposition to materialism?

    Marx’ Dialectical materialism was also primarily to do with what he believed were the forces that explained history - the relationship of groups to the means of production, as opposed to Great Man theory of history or more nebulous explanations, he was essentially explaining what motivates people and makes them act a certain way which is not really influenced by quantum physics in any way.

    He was a scientific fella who believed in a shared material reality and objective facts as do most Marxists and leftists which is also a materialist notion but again this is not contradicted by physics, quantum or otherwise and neither the observer effect nor lorentz symmetry nor higgs boson or even spherical cows “debunk” those philosophical concepts in any way

    Foucault is kind of on his own with his theories of knowledge power and whatnot and he himself rejected being labeled a post-modernist, at the same time he was also labeled a structuralist and identified as a Nietzsche simp and I don’t see how he has any real influence on leftism, so you’re going to have to be more specific there on what exactly you mean there.

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      these things are in opposition to materialism. materialism posits that the physical world is an atomistic reality separate from human consciousness. Things like collapse of the wave function and observer effect demonstrably prove that reality is influenced by human consciousness. Disproving materialism, which is the foundation on which Marx built his theories. End of story.

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        That’s not actually what the observer effect is.

        In physics the word observation in the context of observer effect refers to measurement which can be done with an apparatus, like in the double slit experiment itself and the moment of observation is that when a measurement is taken or an interaction occurs(!) with another thing, not when a human in particular becomes aware of it.

        I don’t blame you for not knowing this though because the word “observer” is just an extremely poor choice, as always, scientists are bad at naming things.

        Physics in no way is suggesting that material reality is shaped by human consciousness in any way nor is it in denial of material reality and even if it did that hardly has anything to do with Marx who’s materialism was a theory in regards to the evolution of ideas and socioeconomic structures that come from them being influenced by people’s relations to the means of production more than anything else.