I’m not implying every nurse or doctor does this, but couldn’t come up with a better title.
A cognizant patient is above all a free person. A free person is free to accept and to deny care, whatever may come. It’s his life, let him live his life as he sees fit. Explain, educate, inform and then ask: do you understand that if we don’t do this you may die / lose a limb / lose your liver / fall down and have a stroke and end up bed bound if we’re lucky enough to save your life?
I don’t understand the logic playing mental gymnastics to make a patient stay at a unit because the nurse or doctor in charge are convinced it’s in the patient’s best interest to do so, even when after education he wants to leave. I’m the odd one at my unit, as most of my coworkers do vehemently disagree with me, as they expect me to provide care AND to care. They feel they lost if a patient leaves against medical advice.
To me it looks like they don’t understand individual freedom and forget that a patient is still a free person. I wouldn’t want to be my coworkers’ patient.
You cannot stop grown ups from making stupid choices. The cognizant patient gets to decide his answer. Not a nurse or doctor convinced they get to decide for the patient.
Another problem I see: say you force a cognizant patient to stay at your unit because you are convinced you are doing the right thing. Why do you think he’s going to be a pleasant patient to work with? People lash out when they feel trapped and they insult and punch personnel. What’s the point?
Punched coworkers will call in sick and start looking for jobs elsewhere, some insulted ones too.
Wouldn’t it be better to inform, document, let him leave, move on?
I guess you could also ask what’s the reason for working at a suicide hotline? Seems similar enough in many cases.
Alternatively, I’m sure many patients simply see attempts to keep them there as upselling. They feel fine, etc. It’s not the medical professional’s fault our healthcare billing/payment system sucks. Many genuinely care, and without some level of urging… how would a patient know an issue was urgent?
They aren’t similar, though, are they? OP’s hypothetical is that someone came for help, got some advice about care, and said “no.” In the hotline case, someone’s actively reaching out for help. They start the same, but in the case of your hotline, the caller can hang up at any time and pull the trigger; you can’t trap them on the phone.
Wow. Who said anything about trapping. Both you an OP are dancing across the line of opposing arguments:
You can’t make a patient stay unless they are mentally incompetent, a minor, or in a state where leaving could pose a threat to safety. This would likely require a court order. The patient is always free to simply leave. It’s not a stupid question, but it is a flawed premise.
So… both of your arguments effectively boil down to, “Why should medical professionals care?”
I’m finished with this thread.
if a patient goes to a hospital and is suicidal they almost always are made to stay because they are deemed “a threat to their safety”.
Yes, suicidal people are a risk to themselves, and sometimes others too. My aunt almost died when a suicidal person veered head on into her car. Hospitals are right to hold people through crises.