I’m not implying every nurse or doctor does this, but couldn’t come up with a better title.

A cognizant patient is above all a free person. A free person is free to accept and to deny care, whatever may come. It’s his life, let him live his life as he sees fit. Explain, educate, inform and then ask: do you understand that if we don’t do this you may die / lose a limb / lose your liver / fall down and have a stroke and end up bed bound if we’re lucky enough to save your life?

I don’t understand the logic playing mental gymnastics to make a patient stay at a unit because the nurse or doctor in charge are convinced it’s in the patient’s best interest to do so, even when after education he wants to leave. I’m the odd one at my unit, as most of my coworkers do vehemently disagree with me, as they expect me to provide care AND to care. They feel they lost if a patient leaves against medical advice.

To me it looks like they don’t understand individual freedom and forget that a patient is still a free person. I wouldn’t want to be my coworkers’ patient.

You cannot stop grown ups from making stupid choices. The cognizant patient gets to decide his answer. Not a nurse or doctor convinced they get to decide for the patient.

Another problem I see: say you force a cognizant patient to stay at your unit because you are convinced you are doing the right thing. Why do you think he’s going to be a pleasant patient to work with? People lash out when they feel trapped and they insult and punch personnel. What’s the point?

Punched coworkers will call in sick and start looking for jobs elsewhere, some insulted ones too.

Wouldn’t it be better to inform, document, let him leave, move on?

  • @Deestan
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    What is the premise? Most countries, US included, does not grant doctors, nurses or any medical professionals or staff the power to hold people against their will.

    say you force a cognizant patient to stay at your unit

    This is not remotely allowed

    • @randomdeadguy
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      Uhm… “Cognizance” can be revoked. Involuntary hospitalization is real. I lived it. It is allowed.

      • @Deestan
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        Sorry to hear that. Sounds awful.

        But yes, am aware. I understood the scenario as detaining cognizant patients.

        • @randomdeadguy
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          No I’m sorry, I’m just splitting hairs. You’re good.

      • @[email protected]
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        Protocol. Come into the hospital with SI or HI for example, your freedom gets temporarily revoked and you get to stay in the padded room with a sitter until a psych assessor deems you without risk of killing yourself or others. There are very few phrases that will land you in that position.

    • @shalafi
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      76 days ago

      Force here is more browbeating the shit out of the patient. Doctors and nurses can get pretty damned insistent when you want to leave.