Stop being a fucking martyr, Jesus. If you can’t understand that sometimes you need to shut your mouth to help yourself then you must be an insufferable prick to be around. Trans people need health care just like everyone else. In fact, one could argue they need it more than the rest of us. Work on that problem while there is momentum to be had. If you want everyone to be accepting of everyone else before you’ll work with them to solve a major problem then you may as well resign yourself to death without any progress because that’s never gonna fucking happen.
Universal health care is literally nothing if we are legally barred from accessing healthcare at all. Which they are absolutely trying to do. They are trying to legally mandate transgender people out of existence and force our assigned sex at birth upon us. Project 2025 includes proposed legislation that would literally make it illegal to be a transgender person. It would make it a sex offense on par with CSA to be a transgender person in public. If you don’t understand what our community is facing right now, then STOP talking about trans rights activism like you’re an authority on the subject.
You are just apathetic to trans rights. If you are willing to drop us like that in order to appease a right wing group then you don’t give a shit about our rights. That’s the truth. I’ll ask again: Will you do the same for reproductive rights? Will you stop pushing reproductive rights to keep this momentum of class solidarity (among cis men) going?
No, I’m not going to shut up, and you are ultimately an enemy of my rights and the rights of my community, my friends and loved ones. I don’t care if you think I’m the most annoying person in the world. I will NEVER leave minority rights behind to unite with bigotry. Screw that. I am fighting for a liberated world. No one is left behind in that. I am not going to accept violence against trans people to seek the approval of fascists.
Your opinion of me and my motivations is entirely irrelevant. It doesn’t change the situation we’re in at all. I’m practical enough to understand that playing to your audience is not the same thing as compromising your values. You can keep insisting that it is if it makes you feel better about losing but it’s not going to help you win.
You have a very strange way of talking about transgender rights. We’re talking about the lives of trans people. People will die as a consequence of the laws they’re trying to pass, taking our rights away. You again seemingly have no idea what you’re talking about. Playing to our audience in this case would be backing off and letting them take our rights away. How in God’s name do you plan to secretly protect our rights while publicly appealing to people trying to take them away? You cannot do both if you protect our rights then fascists won’t align with you, and if you don’t protect our rights and allow others to attack us then you’re functionally one of them.
Again you are an enemy of the trans community who is literally arguing about why it is entirely acceptable for our rights to be taken away. You’re arguing about why cis people should befriend violent transphobes by passively tolerating their bigotry. You see our rights as a game, a tool, a nice win in the end but if trans people need to take the hit now then so be it. I will never tolerate that. You are also laughably incapable of making a coherent argument to trans people about this position.
Jesus Christ it’s like talking to a brick wall. We’re not talking about trans rights we’re talking about healthcare. You keep insisting on conflating the two but no matter how many times you lose the thread they will never stop being separate issues. This conversation is supposed to be about 100% of the population but you just won’t stop trying to make it about 1.5% instead even if it means things get worse for you. That’s psychotic behavior. In this case helping the collective helps you too so for fucks sake get out of your own way.
Can we please focus on the healthcare part of the equation and stop trying to force trans issues into the discussion? We are in a rare moment of agreement where everyone is talking about the fact that healthcare in this country sucks and this kind of thing is going to draw Republicans back into that culture war bullshit and waste the only real momentum I’ve seen on this issue since Obama’s first term. Yes it is unfair that it needs to be framed that way but you also know how annoyingly focused on trans people conservatives are. Working to change the narrative around private insurance is the most impactful way to help trans people at this moment in history. There’s too many fuckwads in this country to make that argument directly so take a page out of the Republican playbook and keep your intentions to yourself until the battle is won.
This post wasn’t even about the push for universal healthcare. This post was about trans rights to access gender affirming care that literally saves our lives. You came in and essentially asked us to shut up about our rights to healthcare.
The answer categorically is NO. Say we get Universal healthcare but gender affirming care is banned federally (legitimately a thing they could do, they own every level of the government including the Supreme court). We would not have access to healthcare. Trans people definitionally would have NO ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. What about this are you somehow failing to understand??? You clearly think that gender affirming care is a fine thing to just give up on for the moment, so why are you even here? Why not go and appeal to fascists directly, say you don’t care about trans rights and attempt to appeal directly to them about fighting for universal health care? You’re essentially angry that people are advocating for trans rights. So go join all the other people also angry about that. I don’t get what you’re doing here, who you’re trying to appeal to. You can’t care about trans people but be willing to give away our rights in concession for recruiting the fascist right to a broader movement. Trans people aren’t going to support that because we would still lose our rights this way, public healthcare wouldn’t matter because we wouldn’t be allowed to access healthcare at all.
If right wingers are suddenly capable of seeing they’ve been misled on the subject of private health insurance why are you not pointing out that they’ve been misled on trans rights issues? Why is conceding to their bigotry an option in your mind?
I love that you say that talking to me is like talking to a brick wall, but again you’re completely incapable of making a rational argument as to how giving up trans rights is in the best interest of trans people. Some trans people will die in the event that our rights are taken away. That’s not a joke it’s not a game. I’m not going to accept any campaign for class solidarity that doesn’t include trans solidarity. Categorically, no. It’s bizarre that you think trans people would agree to this, like you could somehow convince me that I’d be better off without rights for the moment. The conversation can’t be about 100% of people if trans rights aren’t also a part of it, definitionally you’re saying trans people don’t count towards that 100% or else that our rights don’t matter.
Forcing bigots to be reminded of their bigotry is a losing strategy and you know I’m right about that. If you want to shoot the messenger then be my guest.
“forcing racists to see Black people is a losing strategy” —you, during the successful civil rights movement that made use of sit ins and demonstrations
history shows that you are wrong :) i won’t shoot you but i will correct you
Some of you guys are legitimately incapable of seeing yourself as anything other than the righteous victim aren’t you? Good luck with that. It’s really endearing.
Stop being a fucking martyr, Jesus. If you can’t understand that sometimes you need to shut your mouth to help yourself then you must be an insufferable prick to be around. Trans people need health care just like everyone else. In fact, one could argue they need it more than the rest of us. Work on that problem while there is momentum to be had. If you want everyone to be accepting of everyone else before you’ll work with them to solve a major problem then you may as well resign yourself to death without any progress because that’s never gonna fucking happen.
Universal health care is literally nothing if we are legally barred from accessing healthcare at all. Which they are absolutely trying to do. They are trying to legally mandate transgender people out of existence and force our assigned sex at birth upon us. Project 2025 includes proposed legislation that would literally make it illegal to be a transgender person. It would make it a sex offense on par with CSA to be a transgender person in public. If you don’t understand what our community is facing right now, then STOP talking about trans rights activism like you’re an authority on the subject.
You are just apathetic to trans rights. If you are willing to drop us like that in order to appease a right wing group then you don’t give a shit about our rights. That’s the truth. I’ll ask again: Will you do the same for reproductive rights? Will you stop pushing reproductive rights to keep this momentum of class solidarity (among cis men) going?
No, I’m not going to shut up, and you are ultimately an enemy of my rights and the rights of my community, my friends and loved ones. I don’t care if you think I’m the most annoying person in the world. I will NEVER leave minority rights behind to unite with bigotry. Screw that. I am fighting for a liberated world. No one is left behind in that. I am not going to accept violence against trans people to seek the approval of fascists.
Your opinion of me and my motivations is entirely irrelevant. It doesn’t change the situation we’re in at all. I’m practical enough to understand that playing to your audience is not the same thing as compromising your values. You can keep insisting that it is if it makes you feel better about losing but it’s not going to help you win.
You have a very strange way of talking about transgender rights. We’re talking about the lives of trans people. People will die as a consequence of the laws they’re trying to pass, taking our rights away. You again seemingly have no idea what you’re talking about. Playing to our audience in this case would be backing off and letting them take our rights away. How in God’s name do you plan to secretly protect our rights while publicly appealing to people trying to take them away? You cannot do both if you protect our rights then fascists won’t align with you, and if you don’t protect our rights and allow others to attack us then you’re functionally one of them.
Again you are an enemy of the trans community who is literally arguing about why it is entirely acceptable for our rights to be taken away. You’re arguing about why cis people should befriend violent transphobes by passively tolerating their bigotry. You see our rights as a game, a tool, a nice win in the end but if trans people need to take the hit now then so be it. I will never tolerate that. You are also laughably incapable of making a coherent argument to trans people about this position.
Jesus Christ it’s like talking to a brick wall. We’re not talking about trans rights we’re talking about healthcare. You keep insisting on conflating the two but no matter how many times you lose the thread they will never stop being separate issues. This conversation is supposed to be about 100% of the population but you just won’t stop trying to make it about 1.5% instead even if it means things get worse for you. That’s psychotic behavior. In this case helping the collective helps you too so for fucks sake get out of your own way.
This post wasn’t even about the push for universal healthcare. This post was about trans rights to access gender affirming care that literally saves our lives. You came in and essentially asked us to shut up about our rights to healthcare.
The answer categorically is NO. Say we get Universal healthcare but gender affirming care is banned federally (legitimately a thing they could do, they own every level of the government including the Supreme court). We would not have access to healthcare. Trans people definitionally would have NO ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. What about this are you somehow failing to understand??? You clearly think that gender affirming care is a fine thing to just give up on for the moment, so why are you even here? Why not go and appeal to fascists directly, say you don’t care about trans rights and attempt to appeal directly to them about fighting for universal health care? You’re essentially angry that people are advocating for trans rights. So go join all the other people also angry about that. I don’t get what you’re doing here, who you’re trying to appeal to. You can’t care about trans people but be willing to give away our rights in concession for recruiting the fascist right to a broader movement. Trans people aren’t going to support that because we would still lose our rights this way, public healthcare wouldn’t matter because we wouldn’t be allowed to access healthcare at all.
If right wingers are suddenly capable of seeing they’ve been misled on the subject of private health insurance why are you not pointing out that they’ve been misled on trans rights issues? Why is conceding to their bigotry an option in your mind?
I love that you say that talking to me is like talking to a brick wall, but again you’re completely incapable of making a rational argument as to how giving up trans rights is in the best interest of trans people. Some trans people will die in the event that our rights are taken away. That’s not a joke it’s not a game. I’m not going to accept any campaign for class solidarity that doesn’t include trans solidarity. Categorically, no. It’s bizarre that you think trans people would agree to this, like you could somehow convince me that I’d be better off without rights for the moment. The conversation can’t be about 100% of people if trans rights aren’t also a part of it, definitionally you’re saying trans people don’t count towards that 100% or else that our rights don’t matter.
A bit more clear version of the same point:
It’s Universal Healthcare. If anyone can’t get care, then it’s not Universal Healthcare!
“trans people need healthcare but they should shut their mouths about it” is oppressor language
i don’t like you
Forcing bigots to be reminded of their bigotry is a losing strategy and you know I’m right about that. If you want to shoot the messenger then be my guest.
“forcing racists to see Black people is a losing strategy” —you, during the successful civil rights movement that made use of sit ins and demonstrations
history shows that you are wrong :) i won’t shoot you but i will correct you
Some of you guys are legitimately incapable of seeing yourself as anything other than the righteous victim aren’t you? Good luck with that. It’s really endearing.