Like, why is it so widespread, what causes it, what solutions are available, etc. I don’t really know how to ask this question so I hope I’m making sense

  • Em Adespoton
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    233 days ago

    Here’s a theory. I’m sure it has lots of holes in it.

    Male loneliness has always been a thing. In cultures where it isn’t/wasn’t, there was a strong family relationship and older men modelling how to relate to others.

    To hide from loneliness, men were able to join clubs, hang out at pubs, volunteer, or bury themselves in work.

    In fact, those same pastimes are still available today.

    What’s changed is that it is now socially OK to talk about loneliness (at least in online forums like this), so more people are aware it’s an issue.

    • @[email protected]
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      133 days ago

      In fact, those same pastimes are still available today.

      That is glossing over a lot of context, a big one being that club membership is down (that’s a big point of Bowling Alone). I would not be surprised if many clubs relocated or shut down due to low membership, especially after raising membership fees. Or y’know that they were already a middleclass thing, thus canaries.

      Pubs are also going to rely on prices, but the most social ones likely are accessible by free public transit or are located in a walkable/mixed-use area (particularly cities designed before+not-bulldozed-for cars).

      I don’t think this is about awareness, especially when most people have less friends and less (or no) social engagement.

      • sunzu2
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        52 days ago

        The entire country is designed to physically isolate people into shiti suburban houses.

        Only solution is to quit being poor and live in specific major cities that didn’t get ruined by shiti car lobbies 🤡

        • Em Adespoton
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          I think you have something here. I grew up in the country where people had to actively seek out activities and relationships, including with people they may not otherwise choose to be around. In the city/burbs, I actively chose to travel by foot/transit/someone else’s vehicle, even though it would have been easier to drive everywhere (I mean, sidewalks that just… vanish halfway to a destination? No transit east-west on major arteries? City planners obviously are prioritizing vehicle traffic).

          But as a result, I’ve never felt isolated AND have the skills to connect with others who aren’t like me. It’s those skills that seem to have been going away as people hide themselves in their social media bubbles and behind their steering wheels. The same opportunities for socialization are still there, but they take more effort than people are used to making because there’s easier alternatives available than there used to be.

      • Em Adespoton
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        22 days ago

        I think you may have missed the point I was making though— clubs and other pastimes didn’t make people less lonely; they only distracted people from their loneliness. Today the same distractions can be found via social media, so instead of all those other activities, people just need a phone.

        But the anonymizing nature of social media means people feel more free to discuss their loneliness when they do self-reflect.