Okay, so then why does any person descended from any indigenous American group alive today have the right to call themselves indigenous or live on a reservation? Please explain it.
I really don’t get what you’re trying to get at with the reservation thing. Please explain it.
Are you making the argument that ethnic Romans should have reservations…?
I was under the impression the reservation system is far from ideal, at best executed terribly, and is a small concession for the destruction of culture hundreds of years ago from colonial endeavors.
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy? According to you, the modern Sioux aren’t of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they’re just Americans.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
No, I’m saying they are not the same people. They are ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy?
Because it was brutally taken from their ancestors and caused a great change in their culture, land, and way of life?
According to you, the modern Sioux aren’t of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they’re just Americans.
Again this “of the same people.” I’m saying they are not THE same people, they are ancestors.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
This is your argument that you’re having with yourself. I don’t know why you’re so hung up on reservations or “deserving” land. The question was, are the people of today the same as the past and the simple answer is no. Time has dramatically changed the language, culture, and borders of these civilizations… Which is why even in your question you had to delineate between the modern Sioux and the pre-colonial Sioux.
That’s literally been this whole conversation. Reread your own posts.
Sorry… are you saying modern Mayans are not the same people as ancient Mayans?
For the nth time, yes they are different. You went on a tangent about reservations for some reason but the point remains, ancient Mayans are not modern Mayans. They are clearly distinct but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to rebuild and preserve the ancient culture.
Mexicans did build Chichen Itza. Mayans are Mexicans. They still live there. They still speak the language.
This. This right here Squid. You’re being disingenuous and you know it. Mexicans or modern Mayans as you consider them, did not build Chicken Itza. Ancient Mayans did. They are not the same. Mayan culture may live on but, to bring this full circle, Italians did not build the Colosseum.
In what way are they not the same apart from not living at the same time period? Again, you’re making the argument that indigenous people today are no longer indigenous.
Okay, so then why does any person descended from any indigenous American group alive today have the right to call themselves indigenous or live on a reservation? Please explain it.
I really don’t get what you’re trying to get at with the reservation thing. Please explain it.
Are you making the argument that ethnic Romans should have reservations…?
I was under the impression the reservation system is far from ideal, at best executed terribly, and is a small concession for the destruction of culture hundreds of years ago from colonial endeavors.
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy? According to you, the modern Sioux aren’t of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they’re just Americans.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
No, I’m saying they are not the same people. They are ancestors.
Because it was brutally taken from their ancestors and caused a great change in their culture, land, and way of life?
Again this “of the same people.” I’m saying they are not THE same people, they are ancestors.
This is your argument that you’re having with yourself. I don’t know why you’re so hung up on reservations or “deserving” land. The question was, are the people of today the same as the past and the simple answer is no. Time has dramatically changed the language, culture, and borders of these civilizations… Which is why even in your question you had to delineate between the modern Sioux and the pre-colonial Sioux.
Wait, so your whole argument has been that the Mayans aren’t immortal? Yes, I’m aware.
That’s literally been this whole conversation. Reread your own posts.
For the nth time, yes they are different. You went on a tangent about reservations for some reason but the point remains, ancient Mayans are not modern Mayans. They are clearly distinct but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to rebuild and preserve the ancient culture.
Dear Quetzalcoatl, this is all because I accidentally left out the word “of” in one post?
This. This right here Squid. You’re being disingenuous and you know it. Mexicans or modern Mayans as you consider them, did not build Chicken Itza. Ancient Mayans did. They are not the same. Mayan culture may live on but, to bring this full circle, Italians did not build the Colosseum.
In what way are they not the same apart from not living at the same time period? Again, you’re making the argument that indigenous people today are no longer indigenous.