I claimed the fee means that now only the rich are driving in NYC. You said the data said that’s not true. Yes, the poor outnumber the rich. I didn’t question that. The poor can no longer afford to drive into NYC making it a new luxury for the rich. They no longer have to deal with the poors on the road with them. The rich aren’t going to take a bus to save $9.
That was the claim. The drop in traffic, proves that’s not the case.
Your new idea that “now only the rich are driving in NYC” always was the case anyway. The middle class and lower don’t bother owning cars in NYC. The public transit being the best in the nation, and permanent parking spaces to store your car costing hundreds of dollars per month, after the cost of the car and insurance that everyone everywhere pays; most born and raised NYers don’t even have drivers licenses, because cars are such a waste of money there.
You realize congestion heading into the city improves, if the traffic within the city gets better? The roads are all connected. They all effect each other.
Commuters coming into the city are being charged and the fee only affects the poor commuters. A ban on cars in parts of the city would fix the problem better without being discriminatory against poor.
Is there any data that shows people making $500k a year are deterred by a $9 fee?
Going to work 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year is $2,250. The average garage price is $15 a day.
The lower traffic numbers are the data. That’s what the screen shot shows. None of the bridges or tunnels are backed up.
I claimed the fee means that now only the rich are driving in NYC. You said the data said that’s not true. Yes, the poor outnumber the rich. I didn’t question that. The poor can no longer afford to drive into NYC making it a new luxury for the rich. They no longer have to deal with the poors on the road with them. The rich aren’t going to take a bus to save $9.
That was the claim. The drop in traffic, proves that’s not the case.
Your new idea that “now only the rich are driving in NYC” always was the case anyway. The middle class and lower don’t bother owning cars in NYC. The public transit being the best in the nation, and permanent parking spaces to store your car costing hundreds of dollars per month, after the cost of the car and insurance that everyone everywhere pays; most born and raised NYers don’t even have drivers licenses, because cars are such a waste of money there.
The map doesn’t show traffic inside NYC by NYC residents. It shows commuters going into NYC.
You realize congestion heading into the city improves, if the traffic within the city gets better? The roads are all connected. They all effect each other.
But that has nothing to do with the argument. People living in NYC aren’t being charged. But they are suffering from people dodging the toll.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/11/us-news/nyc-congestion-pricing-turns-upper-manhattan-nabes-into-parking-war-zone-as-drivers-take-up-spots-to-avoid-toll/
Commuters coming into the city are being charged and the fee only affects the poor commuters. A ban on cars in parts of the city would fix the problem better without being discriminatory against poor.
I don’t know why this is hard to grasp.
The Poor in NYC… Don’t Drive!
Maybe you’re thinking of the upper middle class.
AGAIN, This has nothing to do with those in NYC.
It is about commuters into the city.
Would you be happier if I classified people into poor, middle class, and rich instead of rich and poor?
Ok. This toll forces the middle class to commute with the poor so the rich have the streets to themselves.