• Schadrach
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    92 days ago

    He isn’t anti-establishment though

    He’s not, but that’s his brand. And one of the few things he’s good at is selling his brand.

    What you’ve got is a bunch of people fed up with the system in some pretty fundamental ways, many of which don’t even know how to voice their problems accurately. One side sells itself as anti-establishment (even though it’s not) and the other side is nakedly as establishment as can be (to the point that they’ll ratfuck primaries against anyone who rocks the boat even a little) but is very vocally progressive when they don’t have to actually do anything about it or when doing so won’t rock the boat even a little.

    • @[email protected]
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      -12 days ago

      Correct, because, again, they are better at rhetoric/messaging/branding. Again, that’s what we need to be doing.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 days ago

        So you’re content with democrats just lying to get elected instead of making material changes in their policy that make people want to vote for them? You want them to be the better option than Republicans… by acting like Republicans, with the exact same policy, but it’s a woman or a POC doing the policy??

        • @[email protected]
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          -32 days ago

          with the exact same policy, but it’s a woman or a POC doing the policy

          That’s just objectively false. No, their policy isn’t good enough, but to pretend that it’s exactly the same is disingenuous.

          The Democrats are always going to be controlled opposition, I just care about them beating MAGA long enough to develop an alternative that can actually replace them. I don’t vote for representation, the ones who represent me don’t have enough support to win yet. I’m voting for the easier-to-defeat enemy.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 day ago

            I don’t vote for representation, the ones who represent me don’t have enough support to win yet.

            This is so self defeating. If every person that said this just voted their beliefs instead of spreading this ideology like a cancer, if the Democrats even have a party left after that, you would be able to use your bloc to pressure them into being everything you say they are.

            They said the same shit when Bernie ran in the primaries “oh, he’s too old, he’s not electable!!” until they realized that Bernie was too popular and just rat fucked the primary instead. He wasn’t even running on the date of the primary and he still got half the votes that Biden did!!

            You realize there are republicans that think this way too? It doesn’t only benefit democrats. Not all Republicans are fully behind Trump, but they’ll be damned if they vote for a democrat.

            Parties win when people vote for them. That includes you. Stop spreading this self defeating, voter shaming ideology just to fucking lose elections because the democratic platform is hollow ineffective bullshit that the dems served up knowing you’ll fucking vote for it anyways.

            • @[email protected]
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              01 day ago

              If every person that said this just voted their beliefs instead of spreading this ideology like a cancer

              So if every person just spontaneously decided to ignore history, human nature, and the mechanics of a first past the post election system, and each of their beliefs aligned perfectly to rally behind the same candidate? That stresses even the wildest suspension of disbelief.

              if the Democrats even have a party left after that, you would be able to use your bloc to pressure them into being everything you say they are.

              What exactly do I say they are?

              And when has that ever happened? You can’t get a roomful of Leftists to agree on what the Left is, much less a national population of Leftists to agree on a specific course of action.

              Not all Republicans are fully behind Trump, but they’ll be damned if they vote for a democrat.

              And that’s why your course of action can’t work. The right wing is authoritarian, they unify behind a figurehead. Every Leftist voting their beliefs leads to dozens of uncoordinated splinter groups, too busy in-fighting to unify behind anyone who could defeat the lockstep of right wing voters. They don’t spend time fantasizing about impossible hypotheticals, they learn the mechanics of the game and play to win. They make concessions, choose a horse that can win, and unify.

              Leftists are a minority. They don’t have to be, if they could focus on winning rhetoric to pull voters instead of hoping everyone just spontaneously agrees with them, but they’re too busy criticizing the ones who try to develop winning strategies because they fail all the Leftist purity tests. Republicans win because they vote for candidates they disagree with, because splitting the vote loses FPTP elections.

              When the Left votes their beliefs, the right sweeps them every time. The Democrats don’t cave to pressure to move their platform to the fractured left, they go hunting for “moderates”. This is how we get Democrats catering to Cheney. Leftist appeal to ideological purity.

              Parties win when enough people vote for them. You can’t beat propaganda with purity. You beat propaganda with propaganda.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 day ago

            They are not easier to defeat or someone would have done it in the last 40 years. They are sloppy and old but don’t think that it makes them any easier especially when they aim to represent the Status Quo.