• @teuast
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    01 year ago

    and they have cars in those places

    you can be generally certain that i’m aware of that

    before cars were invented we had horses

    …and trains.

      • @teuast
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        11 year ago

        OK, I’ll grant you that this argument was not super well formed on my part. I can say with confidence that trains built the United States, including the places in the southwest that I alluded to, and HSR currently connects Spain to an alarming degree. China and India also have considerable rail networks, though China’s is to my knowledge more modern and in more active development. That being said, the main point I was making is that dense, walkable development was the only option in these places prior to the car, because how else were you going to get around your local area? And people clearly hauled stuff in those days and in those climes. Clearly doing so without a car is possible, if the development patterns allow for it. Those places currently lack those development patterns, and thus that is not an option in those places at this time, but that’s a result of policy decisions made by leaders in those areas (and the auto industry).

        Now, to provide an actual counterexample:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Switzerland

        Now, you might protest when I bring up Switzerland that Switzerland is small. And in terms of geographic area, you’re not wrong. But Switzerland is also ferociously mountainous, and much of their rail network had to be tunneled under the Swiss Alps. Connecting LA to San Francisco via the Central Valley with HSR, like CAHSR is doing, is considerably easier than connecting two much closer cities in Switzerland with regular-speed trains was prior. The same goes for:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen

        as well as the broader system of

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Japan

        and, as I alluded to,

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Spain

        is applying the same principles in the birthplace of taking a nap in the afternoon because it’s too hot to exist. Yes, I can link Wikipedia articles too.

        Oh, and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island exists in deserts too. It’s not that it’s an “island of heat” surrounded by pleasant temperatures, it’s that whatever temperature is around it, the paved/urbanized area is hotter. And this is exacerbated by current suburban development patterns, again, even in deserts.