• @[email protected]
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    -315 hours ago

    She wasn’t trying to win your vote. The population votes for the status quo. Deviation from that would’ve led to her loss. You weren’t going to get another Sanders in the time she had.

    Has there been an American president who wasn’t contributing one way or another to a genocide? Idk why people act like that’s surprising. They’re all war criminals. There’s a difference between that and actively egging them to ramp it up while using ‘Palestinians’ as a slur.

    The Cons would’ve felt the consequences, as Trumps crimes were laid bare over the subsequent years and the extent of their delusion publicly dissected. Embarrassment is one of the few things fascists understand.

    This vacuum would’ve led to space for leftist voices to emerge.

    No Trump was not a fluke, but you’d assume in the Information age someone so blatantly acting against your interests wouldn’t be your pick.

    Dems aren’t ever going to solve anything either way. It’s just a nicer environment for the rest of us to try and do so.

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      She wasn’t trying to win your vote. The population votes for the status quo. Deviation from that would’ve led to her loss. You weren’t going to get another Sanders in the time she had.

      Oh, well then, my congratulations to President Harris on winning the election.

      No they fucking don’t vote for the status quo when the status quo is fucked. Trump at least postures that he’s different (even though he’s more of the same) which is why it’s hardly surprising that he won.

      No Trump was not a fluke, but you’d assume in the Information age someone so blatantly acting against your interests wouldn’t be your pick.

      He wasn’t my pick.

      Dems aren’t ever going to solve anything either way. It’s just a nicer environment for the rest of us to try and do so.

      And what does trying to do so look like? Would it, perhaps, involve forming an organization, say, a party, that actually represents the interests of the people?

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        -215 hours ago

        They vote for the status quo when there is an algorithmic conservative fear beast under their bed.

        Your choice was to vote to prevent Trump getting in or to enable it.

        And no it involves building up parallel institutions, counter-economic systems, mutual aid networks on the grassroots level outside the states control.

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          They vote for the status quo when there is an algorithmic conservative fear beast under their bed.

          No, they don’t! If you were right, she’d have won! How can you possibly assert this in direct contradiction to the evidence?

          And no it involves building up parallel institutions, counter-economic systems, mutual aid networks on the grassroots level outside the states control.

          Right, so exactly like what PSL does.

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            The PSL is a joke man. When will you give this up? They will never see themselves with a legitimate candidate because they don’t do a single thing to position themselves as a serious contender.

            Them, just like all other third party shitshows only ever show up at the 11th hour to play election spoiler by collecting the votes from idiots too ignorant to know any better.

            If they really want to make a run at candidacy, they’d make a name for themselves the other three and a half years between elections.

            But they don’t.

            No one will take them seriously until they start moving ground. Until then, they’re going to remain the joke that they are.

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            -215 hours ago

            What evidence? Both statements can be true

            • Kamala implementing policies you wanted would’ve lost her enough votes to make winning impossible
            • she lost enough votes from safe votes who opted out due to people equating Trump and Kamala

            PSL? Pakistani Super League?

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              What evidence? Both statements can be true

              • Kamala implementing policies you wanted would’ve lost her enough votes to make winning impossible
              • she lost enough votes from safe votes who opted out due to people equating Trump and Kamala

              In that case her defeat was inevitable and none of this matters. I reject that defeatism because her strategic errors are obvious and many. If establishment democrats don’t see a path to victory, they should get out of the way and let someone with more vision have a try.

              PSL?

              The Party for Socialism and Liberation.

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                -214 hours ago

                It was with the sentiment generated by never-genocide voters, sure.

                Socialism? In America? After decades of red scare hysteria and hypertardation? Gerrymandering and vote suppression? Doubt it.

                What’ll work is a truly freed market. Not in the AnCap sense but in the anti-capitalist (and anti-collectivist) sense.

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                  The path we’re on is fundamentally unsustainable. Something will have to give. Free markets are not capable of addressing human needs and the collective crises we’re facing, but regardless, you won’t be getting any change in any direction except the steady decline into dysfunction and right-wing extremism that we’ve been getting so long as the two party system remains hegemonic.

                  You can punch left all you want, but again, the anti-genocide voters did not swing the election. Regardless, you people all have a completely upside-down conception of politics. Politicians must change to conform to the values that voters have, not the other way around, it’s completely backwards to blame masses of people for holding onto valid moral convictions rather than blaming the politicians that failed to account for and accommodate those convictions. It’s just bootlicking, I find it quite spineless and repulsive frankly, and it’s very sad to me that anyone could have such a feckless way of thinking about politics.

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                    Again, not free markets in the ancap sense. A truly freed market requires us to dismantle all non-state forms of coercion and privilege that distort economic interactions.

                    There is nowhere left of me to punch. I’m punching up at the Auths who think reform is a viable path to liberation.

                    Election wasn’t lost because of values it was because people are easily manipulated to vote against their interests.