We just have problems with people making mockeries of trans people. No, your gender is not a dragon, and creating anthropomorphic animal characters is not a disorder, sexuality, or gender identity, even if you dress up as them or get off to porn of them.
You’re why trans and disability rights are always going to be at a standstill. Whenever some stupid thing happens, like cat litter and dog beds in schools to accommodate furries, it’s blamed on disabled and LGBT people, especially trans and nonbinary people, for existing.
You’re why actual children being childish get abused into literally taking their lives, because you broadcast that role-playing as an animal or creating whimsical wacky characters are symptoms of autism instead of a child being a child. They end up in an ABA school that grooms them into believing constant reactive abuse is normal. They’re never allowed anywhere outside of home, the short bus, and the school, because “if they acted like a dragon at a playground, they might actually believe they’re a dragon and they need help”. Then they end up mentally and physically ruined to the point of needing to live in a group home where they’re further abused until they die of stress, a drug overdose by the staff to make them “convenient”, or by their own hand. Because they liked dragons and pokemon a lot as a literal child.
You’re part of the extremely vocal yet incredibly small minority of trans and disabled people that those in power, in charge of those communities’ rights, look at and make decisions based on. You’re why they get dehumanized and divided from society. You’re why everyone else assumes everyone in these communities can’t make rational decisions, and makes arbitrary - and usually unfair - decisions for them. You’re why trans, nonbinary, and disabled voices are spoken over and ignored. You’re why trans, nonbinary, and disabled people are treated like jokes.
We have a problem with the progress of our fight for transgender and disability rights being reversed because some internet users want clicks, clout, and imaginary points that will mean literally nothing in the next five years."
Guess the user and the instance, and who actually got downvoted and banned.
Pretty sure I know. That user was banned from my instance after using an alt to create a hate/harassment community against a user who dared to ban them from a community (a dragon community no less).
This entire thing was so stupid. It’s that one joke (you know which one) all over again. They were acting in a way that others couldn’t tell if they are a bad actor or not. That’s bad enough. But the mods giving something like this a pass is somehow worse.
What people tend to also forget is that every letter in LGBTQ stand for an entirely different group of people, yet they are threated as one community. Imagine Mechanics and Sales people would be part of the same union. 2 entirely different branches, with entirely different demands except that they all want to get paid on time.
For most it is just more convenient to bunch everybody who’s apart from the “norm” into a single group and call it a day.
I’m personally against labels, but if you’re going to give them names, then maybe don’t pile them all together.
Edit: This is not personally a critique of what you said, it just fits the topic of tour comment.
The shit I’ve endured for 10 years that destroyed every aspect of who I was as a child. The reason I hate just about everything aside from work and video games. I used to like just about all the entertainment media aimed at my age but that was exclusively caused by that stupid puzzle piece and not because I was a human being who liked stuff. And then that same stupid ass puzzle piece that made me like too many things too much is why I only enjoy work and games. Right, that stupid puzzle piece was why I wasn’t supposed to be able to work at all, but that same stupid ass puzzle piece is why I was So Smart and knew how to get a job.
Actual human beings go through silly phases and emotions when they’re teenagers, but I only did because of that stupid puzzle piece. Wanting bodily autonomy and privacy was a symptom of that stupid puzzle piece. Wanting to fucking shower was a symptom of that stupid puzzle piece, but so was smelling bad. ABA dumbed me down into dead weight alongside several other children. Imagine loving transformers and action movies as a teenager, must be a stupid disorder because no one actually likes those movies at all.
That shit destroys lives before they’re given a chance to start. Literally mentally murdering the child and keeping a corpse alive.
Oh, right, I’m actually wrong because you lived a real life on the right side of society where everyone treated you like an actual real human being for your whole life, went to real school for real humans where you were actually encouraged to grow and learn, graduated a real high school where you were treated like an actual human being alongside all the other actual human beings and most likely have fun high school memories and pictures you actually consented to be in, then took a trendy test online and call yourself autistic for internet clout and “envy” people who were labeled with that shit as children and had their whole lives forcefully taken from them. Right.
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience. ABA is just a science though, and it’s the way it’s applied that can be good or bad.
ABA should not be used to tell someone to not to like the transformers as a teenager. There are clear ethical guidelines about this. But supervision can fail, unfortunately. You could report your practitioners I suppose. But is that what actually happened? Why did they restrict you from transformer movies?
I have seen unethical practitioners that work with parents who say “this is age inappropriate, my teenager shouldn’t be watching Sesame Street anymore” and try to discourage it. But this is rare these days and the field discourages practitioners from doing this. However, depending on how old you are and where you live and just because shitty people exist this could very well be the case
But I’ll be real with you: I have seen people who are critical of ABA say things like what you said and it turns out they were not given access to their favorite movies because it was made contingent reinforcement. This is how ABA works, it is operant conditioning. But what these people are leaving out is that they were having major functional impairments that required some kind of enticement and there weren’t many things that motivated them to expend effort. They would only shower or brush their teeth once a week or less, they would not do homework ever to the point of failing classes, they would exhibit violent behavior that was dangerous to themselves or others, serious communication deficits, etc.
the way we would encourage the behaviors we needed to see more of and discourage the problematic behaviors was through reinforcement based systems. Of course, reinforcement can always feel like punishment when one fails because a true reinforcement system requires one to withhold reinforcement when necessary so the learner can conflate reinforcement with punishment pretty easily
And I would suggest maybe talking to someone about this, you’ve got a real chip on your shoulder about this. I merely asked you a sentence it and you went into a paragraph long diatribe assuming a great deal about my history. You don’t know me or my experience. You’ve clearly got some trauma, maybe it’s time to deal with that?
"We have no problem with trans people existing.
We just have problems with people making mockeries of trans people. No, your gender is not a dragon, and creating anthropomorphic animal characters is not a disorder, sexuality, or gender identity, even if you dress up as them or get off to porn of them.
You’re why trans and disability rights are always going to be at a standstill. Whenever some stupid thing happens, like cat litter and dog beds in schools to accommodate furries, it’s blamed on disabled and LGBT people, especially trans and nonbinary people, for existing.
You’re why actual children being childish get abused into literally taking their lives, because you broadcast that role-playing as an animal or creating whimsical wacky characters are symptoms of autism instead of a child being a child. They end up in an ABA school that grooms them into believing constant reactive abuse is normal. They’re never allowed anywhere outside of home, the short bus, and the school, because “if they acted like a dragon at a playground, they might actually believe they’re a dragon and they need help”. Then they end up mentally and physically ruined to the point of needing to live in a group home where they’re further abused until they die of stress, a drug overdose by the staff to make them “convenient”, or by their own hand. Because they liked dragons and pokemon a lot as a literal child.
You’re part of the extremely vocal yet incredibly small minority of trans and disabled people that those in power, in charge of those communities’ rights, look at and make decisions based on. You’re why they get dehumanized and divided from society. You’re why everyone else assumes everyone in these communities can’t make rational decisions, and makes arbitrary - and usually unfair - decisions for them. You’re why trans, nonbinary, and disabled voices are spoken over and ignored. You’re why trans, nonbinary, and disabled people are treated like jokes.
We have a problem with the progress of our fight for transgender and disability rights being reversed because some internet users want clicks, clout, and imaginary points that will mean literally nothing in the next five years."
Guess the user and the instance, and who actually got downvoted and banned.
That whole ordeal gave fakedisordercringe vibes man. Super uncomfortable and obviously insincere yet fully supported, at least by the mods.
Pretty sure I know. That user was banned from my instance after using an alt to create a hate/harassment community against a user who dared to ban them from a community (a dragon community no less).
I think I know who you’re talking about lol
This entire thing was so stupid. It’s that one joke (you know which one) all over again. They were acting in a way that others couldn’t tell if they are a bad actor or not. That’s bad enough. But the mods giving something like this a pass is somehow worse.
What people tend to also forget is that every letter in LGBTQ stand for an entirely different group of people, yet they are threated as one community. Imagine Mechanics and Sales people would be part of the same union. 2 entirely different branches, with entirely different demands except that they all want to get paid on time.
For most it is just more convenient to bunch everybody who’s apart from the “norm” into a single group and call it a day.
I’m personally against labels, but if you’re going to give them names, then maybe don’t pile them all together.
Edit: This is not personally a critique of what you said, it just fits the topic of tour comment.
What do you think aba is?
The shit I’ve endured for 10 years that destroyed every aspect of who I was as a child. The reason I hate just about everything aside from work and video games. I used to like just about all the entertainment media aimed at my age but that was exclusively caused by that stupid puzzle piece and not because I was a human being who liked stuff. And then that same stupid ass puzzle piece that made me like too many things too much is why I only enjoy work and games. Right, that stupid puzzle piece was why I wasn’t supposed to be able to work at all, but that same stupid ass puzzle piece is why I was So Smart and knew how to get a job.
Actual human beings go through silly phases and emotions when they’re teenagers, but I only did because of that stupid puzzle piece. Wanting bodily autonomy and privacy was a symptom of that stupid puzzle piece. Wanting to fucking shower was a symptom of that stupid puzzle piece, but so was smelling bad. ABA dumbed me down into dead weight alongside several other children. Imagine loving transformers and action movies as a teenager, must be a stupid disorder because no one actually likes those movies at all.
That shit destroys lives before they’re given a chance to start. Literally mentally murdering the child and keeping a corpse alive.
Oh, right, I’m actually wrong because you lived a real life on the right side of society where everyone treated you like an actual real human being for your whole life, went to real school for real humans where you were actually encouraged to grow and learn, graduated a real high school where you were treated like an actual human being alongside all the other actual human beings and most likely have fun high school memories and pictures you actually consented to be in, then took a trendy test online and call yourself autistic for internet clout and “envy” people who were labeled with that shit as children and had their whole lives forcefully taken from them. Right.
I’m sorry you had such a bad experience. ABA is just a science though, and it’s the way it’s applied that can be good or bad.
ABA should not be used to tell someone to not to like the transformers as a teenager. There are clear ethical guidelines about this. But supervision can fail, unfortunately. You could report your practitioners I suppose. But is that what actually happened? Why did they restrict you from transformer movies?
I have seen unethical practitioners that work with parents who say “this is age inappropriate, my teenager shouldn’t be watching Sesame Street anymore” and try to discourage it. But this is rare these days and the field discourages practitioners from doing this. However, depending on how old you are and where you live and just because shitty people exist this could very well be the case
But I’ll be real with you: I have seen people who are critical of ABA say things like what you said and it turns out they were not given access to their favorite movies because it was made contingent reinforcement. This is how ABA works, it is operant conditioning. But what these people are leaving out is that they were having major functional impairments that required some kind of enticement and there weren’t many things that motivated them to expend effort. They would only shower or brush their teeth once a week or less, they would not do homework ever to the point of failing classes, they would exhibit violent behavior that was dangerous to themselves or others, serious communication deficits, etc.
the way we would encourage the behaviors we needed to see more of and discourage the problematic behaviors was through reinforcement based systems. Of course, reinforcement can always feel like punishment when one fails because a true reinforcement system requires one to withhold reinforcement when necessary so the learner can conflate reinforcement with punishment pretty easily
And I would suggest maybe talking to someone about this, you’ve got a real chip on your shoulder about this. I merely asked you a sentence it and you went into a paragraph long diatribe assuming a great deal about my history. You don’t know me or my experience. You’ve clearly got some trauma, maybe it’s time to deal with that?
Apologies for my ignorance but I’m having trouble following this—what’s ABA and what’s the puzzle piece?
I believe they’re referring to Applied Behavior Analysis.