• @lurklurk
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    The concept of cultural appropriation seems to be pretty useless in practice.

    The cases I’ve encountered where it makes some bit of sense fit better under the concepts of racism or exploitation. The complaints about cultural appropriation online seem to more often attack innocent behaviour or someone genuinely appreciating another culture.

    Drink tea, make tacos, wear a kimono, don’t be an asshole

    • zqps
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      The actual complaints I see about cultural appropriation online are mostly directed at corporations trying to sell ethnic stuff. But that’s not as controversial.

      The silly personal attacks are common in memes just like this one, serving as centrist strawmen to vilify progressives. People love to talk about and ridicule it so much that it seems a lot more common than it actually is.

      • @nandeEbisu
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        I think a big part of appropriation is either pretending the thing is from a different culture or just divorcing it from any existing cultural context. People just don’t think about what an actual effect is so just knee jerk accuse anything vaguely similar of cultural appropriation.

    • @IzzyScissor
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      Kimono literally just means “thing to wear”.

      I’ve heard multiple Japanese people tell me how funny it is how much foreigners concern themselves over wearing… Clothes.

      • @[email protected]
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        And katana just means “one-sided blade.” But when you deliberately use a foreign word in English to describe something, you’re talking about a specific kind of that thing.

    • @[email protected]
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      A good example I heard once was concerning the tagelharpa. It’s an Estonian instrument, historically used in Estonian culture, however if you hear it you’ll probably think Vikings. The modern viking/pagan/neofolk music scene uses it prominently, and as it has a much broader reach than Estonian culture, this has lead (through no fault of the musicians I must add) to situations where many people think of it as a “viking” instrument, even though it never was. Thus, a piece of Estonian culture is widely appreciated as belonging to another culture, due to popular media influence.

      I don’t know if this is really an example of cultural appropriation, but that example helped me grasp the concept (if it is a good example).

      • @Shardikprime
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        It’s not. People use stuff from other places and call them different names all the time

      • @lurklurk
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        That’s really interesting! Nice sounding instrument

      • @lurklurk
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        If I had and it was that easy, we wouldn’t have this neverending stream at someone getting offended because someone did something associated with a culture they don’t have obvious blood ties to.

        I think there is asshole behaviour that could be described as cultural appropriation, but I think the vast majority of them also fit under “exploitation” or “racism”.

        It’s also apparent that if you tell people “cultural appropriation is bad”, you get pretty silly outcomes. Suddenly you have protests because a restaurant serves sushi without being ethnically japanese, or someone yells at you because you post a photo of a california roll.

        Given those examples I should probably go have lunch

        • @[email protected]
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          You’re being trolled, there’s nobody saying that unless online trolls convinced them. It’s concern trolling to stoke division.

        • @webadict
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          Nobody has ever yelled at me for eating or posting a picture of my American Midwest grocery store sushi, get the fuck outta here.

          The irony here is that the term cultural appropriation has been politically appropriated, the same way that many of these explorative racial theories are, like woke, like social justice, like critical race theory. They are taken from their academic settings and eventually used to suppress actual concerns raised by denegrating it and reducing it to something that is both laughable and fundamentally not what it is.