• @[email protected]
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    408 hours ago

    To be fair, it is hard to hold a proper democratic election with part of a country occupied. Either you hold an election in which people in those areas cant vote and while risking division during a time of crisis, or you dont hold an election and in doing so risk democratic backsliding. Im not really sure that there’s a good answer to that situation

    • Nougat
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      408 hours ago

      Not only is it “hard,” it is spelled out in the UA constitution that this is what happens when there’s a war going on in Ukraine.

      • @shalafi
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        198 hours ago

        Wow! Looked that up and seems you are exactly right, kicks in with a declaration of martial law.

        • Nougat
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          288 hours ago

          Yup. So when you hear people hollering about how “Zelenskyy halted elections!” - it’s because that’s what the constitution demands.

      • @[email protected]
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        -198 hours ago

        Human rights and democracy are above the law. If the law contradicts them, then the law is wrong.

        • Nougat
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          227 hours ago

          You know what created the situation where Ukraine had to pause elections? Russia’s invasion. You know when elections will resume in Ukraine? When Russia fucks off.

          But, sure, blame Ukraine for that.

          • @[email protected]
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            7 hours ago

            What a pointless comment. I’m not blaming them for being invaded, that’s absurd. They are responsible for their own actions. No more, no less. Why do you think the invasion means the Ukrainian government no longer has agency in the territories it controls?

    • @[email protected]
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      -178 hours ago

      I disagree. Ukraine does not have direct control over those territories. So it does not seem a major issue that people there cannot vote for a government that does not govern them.

      If Ukraine is able to retake these territories then they can allow people to vote in the next election. If Ukraine retains or expands its democratic ideals then it would only be a short period where they would be controlled by a government they did not vote for.

      I could see a case for postponing elections if the country was in such a total state of disarray that it was not practical to hold them. But it’s clear that this is not the case outside of the eastern front lines and occupied territories.

      • @MothmanDelorian
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        86 hours ago

        It’s in their constitution to do this. They have to do it this way.

        • @[email protected]
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          04 hours ago

          They could modify it or end martial law. They don’t have to.

          It’s just a bad law, constitution or not.

      • @cm0002OP
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        137 hours ago

        But doing so will just give propaganda fodder for the occupying country

        “See, your country doesn’t care about you, come to our side blah blah blah”

        It’s a tight rope to walk for sure, but I haven’t seen anything out of Ukraine to suggest they’ve fallen off it

        • @[email protected]
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          -97 hours ago

          As we can see, not holding elections is also creating propaganda for Russia and its defenders. I don’t think this is a major problem enough to deny people a voice in decision-making.

          • NaibofTabr
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            97 hours ago

            Propagandists gonna propagandize regardless. Stop blaming the victims.

            • @[email protected]
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              Yeah that was my point… Nobody is blaming the victims but you’re saying they shouldn’t have a voice in their own government.

              • @ManixT
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                34 hours ago

                Why don’t you spend all this energy you’re putting into ignorant takes into criticizing the actual problem and aggressors here - Russia

      • @[email protected]
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        46 hours ago

        So the invader only has to conquer the places that support their puppet candidate the least. Good job, you made it easier for them.

        Try thinking things through next time