Andrew Wimmer was handcuffed and taken to jail on January 22, 2003 because he refused to protest in a ““designated protest zone”” that was out of sight of the President as well as local and national TV news cameras.
A woman, armed with a ““We Love You Bush”” sign showed up at the same corner shortly after Wimmer’s arrest. Wimmer asked the police if they were going to arrest her if she didn’t move and they said, ““no.”” The police also allegedly blocked the national press camera crews and an AP reporter from approaching the protest zone to do reporting.
That’s a far cry from how china suppresses protests. And really a small individual example. Overall there’s a clear freedom of expression and civil protest in the US. The same absolutely cannot be said about china.
Oh no. The most generic reply that allows you to dismiss 1.4 billion people’s worth of experiences. Your right, China has committed a pretty large amount of heinous shit. But so has America. Infact, I would say America has committed significantly more.
But it ain’t a dick measuring contest. Evil is evil. Buuuuut here’s where my issue comes in. We can talk about a ton of American stuff that’s cool. Culture, tech, food, urban planning but if you try to talk about China at all it very quickly becomes some guy posting the wiki link to a list of reasons China sucked.
Imagine doing that in reverse. It’s fucking silly. There’s this concept called “time” and when combined with another fascinating discovery called “place” you get the appropriate and inappropriate times to say things regardless of it’s validity
Same way I feel about the America murdering palastinians, Iranians, Iraqis, central and south Americans and everyone else. Bad. But when America does it, we get people saying “oh that ain’t even genocide”. I’m tired of the fucking hypocrisy. More so, I’m tired of every conversation about China having to be about their crimes instead of the cool things we could learn from each other.
Do you see what point I’m trying to make? Or do you wanna list another crime like others already have, resulting in me saying the American equivalent and being stuck again at stage fucking 0
America is currently funding and arming the complete extermination of the palastinian people via Israel.
There’s the tit for tat.
Now, to attempt to better explain what I’m trying to get across cause you missed it. I am not excusing China, they have, are and will continue to do fucked up things. But EVERY conversation about China does not need to be about those crimes. Just like how we can talk about something American like idk, fuckin super bowl or something and no one’s gonna stop that talk to start naming atrocities we’ve committed from a list.
Or how we can talk about France without mentioning how abhorrent the economic stranglehold they have over their “former” colonies in North and West Africa.
China should be able to be talked about in that same way. There are things they as a people AND as a state have done well and is worth looking into and learning from.
But if every fucking time China gets brought up and your dumby brain 🧠 Immediately starts listing off atrocities then you can’t have any of those conversations. It’s a conversation killer. It’s a mental wall errected carefully across the minds of every American due to our schools And news which have told us since birth “China bad”. That’s my problem.
Do you see the nuance here? Do you see my point yet? Did I explain it good? I’m genuinely trying here but you just did the thing I said you would do and I’m worried that your not even listening, that the wall in your brain 🧠 has appeared between me and you. And I’m just trying to talk to you and get my perspective across. You dont gotta change your mind, just acknowledge that you understand my perspective here.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/dissent-forced-be-out-sight-and-out-mind
That’s a far cry from how china suppresses protests. And really a small individual example. Overall there’s a clear freedom of expression and civil protest in the US. The same absolutely cannot be said about china.
I love how people just say this. Like you know lol
Can you draw the chinese leader as Winnie the pooh in China without repercussions? I can do it to my leader where I’m at.
Can you find me a person in China who will tell you that’s true or did you pick that up from memes of people posting Winnie the Pooh xi?
You learned in highschool what a reliable source is and “cultural osmosis” is not a valid source.
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Are you really this ignorant of the subject?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China
Oh no. The most generic reply that allows you to dismiss 1.4 billion people’s worth of experiences. Your right, China has committed a pretty large amount of heinous shit. But so has America. Infact, I would say America has committed significantly more.
But it ain’t a dick measuring contest. Evil is evil. Buuuuut here’s where my issue comes in. We can talk about a ton of American stuff that’s cool. Culture, tech, food, urban planning but if you try to talk about China at all it very quickly becomes some guy posting the wiki link to a list of reasons China sucked.
Imagine doing that in reverse. It’s fucking silly. There’s this concept called “time” and when combined with another fascinating discovery called “place” you get the appropriate and inappropriate times to say things regardless of it’s validity
You know what’s silly? You ignoring political persecution of journalists in China.
There are countless articles on the subject.
Here’s a random one: https://rsf.org/en/chinese-regime-s-fierce-repression-journalists-hidden-behind-day-celebration
How are you going to feel about China when it starts murdering Taiwanese people? https://asiatimes.com/2025/01/china-building-monster-barges-to-overrun-taiwans-shores/
Same way I feel about the America murdering palastinians, Iranians, Iraqis, central and south Americans and everyone else. Bad. But when America does it, we get people saying “oh that ain’t even genocide”. I’m tired of the fucking hypocrisy. More so, I’m tired of every conversation about China having to be about their crimes instead of the cool things we could learn from each other.
Do you see what point I’m trying to make? Or do you wanna list another crime like others already have, resulting in me saying the American equivalent and being stuck again at stage fucking 0
How about China enabling the brutal North Korean dictatorship or Russian war?
How about actually giving a shit about Chinese people and not wanting to them to worry whether one wrong comment is going to find them jailed?
Not once have I defended American actions, but you are too busy excusing away Chinese aggression that it’s obvious you aren’t a serious person.
I see. More crime listing.
America is currently funding and arming the complete extermination of the palastinian people via Israel.
There’s the tit for tat.
Now, to attempt to better explain what I’m trying to get across cause you missed it. I am not excusing China, they have, are and will continue to do fucked up things. But EVERY conversation about China does not need to be about those crimes. Just like how we can talk about something American like idk, fuckin super bowl or something and no one’s gonna stop that talk to start naming atrocities we’ve committed from a list.
Or how we can talk about France without mentioning how abhorrent the economic stranglehold they have over their “former” colonies in North and West Africa.
China should be able to be talked about in that same way. There are things they as a people AND as a state have done well and is worth looking into and learning from.
But if every fucking time China gets brought up and your dumby brain 🧠 Immediately starts listing off atrocities then you can’t have any of those conversations. It’s a conversation killer. It’s a mental wall errected carefully across the minds of every American due to our schools And news which have told us since birth “China bad”. That’s my problem.
Do you see the nuance here? Do you see my point yet? Did I explain it good? I’m genuinely trying here but you just did the thing I said you would do and I’m worried that your not even listening, that the wall in your brain 🧠 has appeared between me and you. And I’m just trying to talk to you and get my perspective across. You dont gotta change your mind, just acknowledge that you understand my perspective here.