• @MothmanDelorian
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    14 hours ago

    No, it wouldn’t because aside from the police it’s pretty much the governor and some mayors. You will be seeing a bunch of people getting guns who previously would have been denied them. I promise you the cc permit carrier rate of crime will substantially increase as more carry concealed.

    • @[email protected]
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      13 hours ago

      42 states have Shall Issue licensing. Only 8 states have “May Issue” laws, where the state exercises arbitrary discretion in licensing.

      In each and every one of those states, the violent crime rate of licensed carriers is substantially lower than that of the general public. In each and every one of those states, cops have a higher crime rate than carriers.

      So no, it’s not just “the governor and some mayors”. It’s the entire country.

      For your point to be rational, non-felon laypersons in New York and New Jersey would have to be substantially more criminal than carriers in 42 states.

      Your “promises” have no logical basis. Guns simply do not cause crime.

      • @MothmanDelorian
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        11 hour ago

        The “governor and mayors” bit was referring to NJ sorry that should have been made clearer.

        You know those 8 state that were may issue pre 2022 account for a substantial percentage of the country’s population, right? CA is 10% of the US population by itself. That means you are going to see that rate change as more people have concealed firearms. The 2020 RAND study on concealed carry apparently claimed this exact thing.

        My point is rational you are just confusing the number of states instead of the total number of people who will suddenly face little to no issues getting a license. NJ/NY wont have to commit more crimes those eight states would merely have to house a large part of the population which they do.

        You’re right guns do not commit crimes but people do commit more crimes. The more people who own concealed permits the larger amount of people you will have who commit crime and have concealed permits.

        This will happen because you are increasing the volume of people who get licenses while reducing the restrictions on how they are obtained