We genocided native Americans, currently have the largest enslaved people population in the world, and actively have destroyed other countries simply for not wanting to be friends with us when we really wanted them to be our friend.
We have a president actively advocating for invading Mexico, invading Panama, annex Canada, annex Greenland.
The problem with trying to shit talk the “evils of China” is that as Americans, it’s purely hypocrisy. We don’t have a fucking leg to stand on. Everything they’ve done we have done or are currently doing.
Does that make what they do okay? No of course not. But pretending they are this axis of pure evil when all they have done is the typical things a large state does is hypocritical and makes you look silly.
You ever considered the cool things China has done?
Oh noooo can’t do that. It’s Chinese propaganda to pretend they ever have done anything good. Obviously I am a 9 year old chained to a chair being forced to write this.
Everything they’ve done we have done or are currently doing
False equivalence. I wish the US had done the belt and road initiative, instead of having over 900 military bases, predatory loans with policy mandates attached, black ops and political assassinations as well as forcing extractive rather than productive economies on the global south. China hasn’t dropped a single bomb on other people in decades, has never seized an asset from a debtor, has never engaged in a war to steal oil and gas or forced an embargo to starve out a nation, let alone starve several dozens at any given time.
The only countries in the 20th century doing what the US has been doing internationally are Nazi Germany and Japan.
But it’s still good to talk about the good things because those good things help us do better the next time. Doesn’t mean you gotta go out and buy a Chinese flag, learn Mandarin, defect, marry a Chinese woman and integrate into the culture, swear yourself to the CCP and what the fuck else. You can just be like “hey China is investing heavily into public transport. It’s pretty effective. Neat”
You know. The way you react to any country doing a neat thing. But since we got this “China is evil dictatorship where their whole population is basically enslaved” mindset, you can’t. That’s propagandas power. They are just people like the rest of us.
When you bring this Argument I really wonder if people in the 3 big military states are all bonkers.
Like sure! That’s what progressive people criticized about USA as well as China for years, and sure, here in Europe we have inhuman systemic problems as well (no power of EU parliament, illegal pushbacks, letting people drown in the meditarnian sea, unfair free trade agreements, Europe corporates owning way to much factorys and land in Africa, still profiting from colonial times to name a few) but using that as an argument that another regions atrocities are actually okay, because others do it to? Wtf is this argument.
I didn’t make that argument. You make a good point but it’s in agreement with mine, not against it. The point I’m making is people can talk about America without it being about our crimes. I can talk about the urban planning and shit of Amsterdam without someone coming in to tell me about how bad the fucking Belgium Congo was.
However, nothing good can be said about China without " CHINESE PROPAGANDA, YOUR JUST A PAID SHILL, REMEMBER TIANANMEN SQUARE?!?!" When we are just trying to have a basic ass fucking cultural exchange. No other country in the god damn world catches that much flack for the shit they do. That hatred is bred deep and I’m tired of it.
And what do you know about Chinese censorship? You just say words but have you spoken to a Chinese person from China and idk. Asked? You can do that. It’s happening right here. You have a vague idea that China has censorship and your entire life full of memes about it each one increasing the severity of the previous one.
My point is you don’t know shit about what a Chinese forum would even look like. Youve never seen one, read one, talked to anyone who has. But you come here swinging like your a god damn born and raised talking from first hand experience. You could be right. You could be wrong. Neither of us know for sure but I can admit that and you can’t imagine that maybe someone embellished some things to you and you bought it.
Always has been. That’s how propaganda works. A lot of exposure for a small amount of loaded terms. Taught in schools to prepare the kids to grow up hating China as our state enemy
Lmao according to whom? I wish we had China as our neighbor instead of the fucking US, stealing our land and resources at gunpoint, always threatening an embargo, buying up our politicians, starting covert operations and protecting organized crime. China has never done anything to us except provide mutual development and affordable goods, and all the US does is threaten to invade if we get closer to them.
And so has America. However imagine if every comment about every topic related to America was filled with “They are arming a genocide!”
I mean, this post is just about the fun facts Americans and Chinese are learning from each other about how we really live and cutting through both nations propaganda and instead of talking about how FUCKING COOL THAT IS, we have to stop and have this conversation. Again. Because China is a trigger word and every American is a sleeper agent
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We genocided native Americans, currently have the largest enslaved people population in the world, and actively have destroyed other countries simply for not wanting to be friends with us when we really wanted them to be our friend.
We have a president actively advocating for invading Mexico, invading Panama, annex Canada, annex Greenland.
The problem with trying to shit talk the “evils of China” is that as Americans, it’s purely hypocrisy. We don’t have a fucking leg to stand on. Everything they’ve done we have done or are currently doing.
Does that make what they do okay? No of course not. But pretending they are this axis of pure evil when all they have done is the typical things a large state does is hypocritical and makes you look silly.
You ever considered the cool things China has done?
Oh noooo can’t do that. It’s Chinese propaganda to pretend they ever have done anything good. Obviously I am a 9 year old chained to a chair being forced to write this.
False equivalence. I wish the US had done the belt and road initiative, instead of having over 900 military bases, predatory loans with policy mandates attached, black ops and political assassinations as well as forcing extractive rather than productive economies on the global south. China hasn’t dropped a single bomb on other people in decades, has never seized an asset from a debtor, has never engaged in a war to steal oil and gas or forced an embargo to starve out a nation, let alone starve several dozens at any given time.
The only countries in the 20th century doing what the US has been doing internationally are Nazi Germany and Japan.
The Nazis built the autobahn, but we don’t cheer for the Nazis.
Like we shouldn’t be cheering on any state, just because of the good.
Yes, I include the US, China, Russia, and all the other states that have committed untold evil on humanity, even if they all also did something good.
But it’s still good to talk about the good things because those good things help us do better the next time. Doesn’t mean you gotta go out and buy a Chinese flag, learn Mandarin, defect, marry a Chinese woman and integrate into the culture, swear yourself to the CCP and what the fuck else. You can just be like “hey China is investing heavily into public transport. It’s pretty effective. Neat”
You know. The way you react to any country doing a neat thing. But since we got this “China is evil dictatorship where their whole population is basically enslaved” mindset, you can’t. That’s propagandas power. They are just people like the rest of us.
Nazism is when a US politician doesn’t like you, and the more they don’t like you the nazier you are
Not correct, but go on.
When you bring this Argument I really wonder if people in the 3 big military states are all bonkers. Like sure! That’s what progressive people criticized about USA as well as China for years, and sure, here in Europe we have inhuman systemic problems as well (no power of EU parliament, illegal pushbacks, letting people drown in the meditarnian sea, unfair free trade agreements, Europe corporates owning way to much factorys and land in Africa, still profiting from colonial times to name a few) but using that as an argument that another regions atrocities are actually okay, because others do it to? Wtf is this argument.
I didn’t make that argument. You make a good point but it’s in agreement with mine, not against it. The point I’m making is people can talk about America without it being about our crimes. I can talk about the urban planning and shit of Amsterdam without someone coming in to tell me about how bad the fucking Belgium Congo was.
However, nothing good can be said about China without " CHINESE PROPAGANDA, YOUR JUST A PAID SHILL, REMEMBER TIANANMEN SQUARE?!?!" When we are just trying to have a basic ass fucking cultural exchange. No other country in the god damn world catches that much flack for the shit they do. That hatred is bred deep and I’m tired of it.
They literally said it’s not okay for them either
Thank you
Was sending it before I saw the comment is expandable, read the second paragraph, deleted 30sec after posting. How did you all read it and replied?
You guys must be fucking fast xD
Still there, and posted 4 hours ago…
And did mentioning these things just make the message disappear on US-based lemmy-instances?
I don’t believe it did.
And what do you know about Chinese censorship? You just say words but have you spoken to a Chinese person from China and idk. Asked? You can do that. It’s happening right here. You have a vague idea that China has censorship and your entire life full of memes about it each one increasing the severity of the previous one.
My point is you don’t know shit about what a Chinese forum would even look like. Youve never seen one, read one, talked to anyone who has. But you come here swinging like your a god damn born and raised talking from first hand experience. You could be right. You could be wrong. Neither of us know for sure but I can admit that and you can’t imagine that maybe someone embellished some things to you and you bought it.
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Your time is sooo valuable lol
What a fuckin stereotype.
It’s not even that long of a comment. It’s like 3 short paragraphs. Read a book my guy
Jesus, at this point right wing sinophobes don’t even try to make a coherent point; they just rattle off the list of buzz words.
Always has been. That’s how propaganda works. A lot of exposure for a small amount of loaded terms. Taught in schools to prepare the kids to grow up hating China as our state enemy
China has been behaving badly lately.
Lmao according to whom? I wish we had China as our neighbor instead of the fucking US, stealing our land and resources at gunpoint, always threatening an embargo, buying up our politicians, starting covert operations and protecting organized crime. China has never done anything to us except provide mutual development and affordable goods, and all the US does is threaten to invade if we get closer to them.
Remember when China killed 60 million people because they were idiots? I do. I also remember them invading Tibet and the Philippines.
Tibet has been a part of China centuries before “the west” realized you couldn’t drink the water where your pig shits.
That was Japan you absolute moron lmao
Not to mention Philipino genocide perpetrated by USA in the beginning of XX century. It’s always projection.
And so has America. However imagine if every comment about every topic related to America was filled with “They are arming a genocide!”
I mean, this post is just about the fun facts Americans and Chinese are learning from each other about how we really live and cutting through both nations propaganda and instead of talking about how FUCKING COOL THAT IS, we have to stop and have this conversation. Again. Because China is a trigger word and every American is a sleeper agent
Yeah, and China has been acting real nice lately. Go talk to everyone of their neighbors. The hatred is real for a reason.
These are literally the things being referred to
you can search the tiannamen square incident. it’s just in another name and written in chinese