True spicy unpopular opinions. There’s just something about them that always gets people riled up and they always feel that they’ve got to attack it because they’re emotionally charged.

And no I’m not talking about unpopular opinions made for edgy purposes like “DEM *****S SHOULD BE BACK IN PLANTATION!” shit. I’m talking more thought out, articulative kinds and opinions that just come out of someone’s belief against the major tide of the hivemind.

I’ve spoken of opinions on Reddit, on here, on Facebook and a couple of other platforms. Everytime it’s the same thing, people are attacking it and unable to engage in a discussion. They always assume I’m just here to listen to myself talk and just looking for people to only agree with me.

I don’t give a fuck whether or not you agree with me. Opinions aren’t facts or anything. But I don’t have the patience for emotionally-charged people that’s going to come on in and just throw down for no reason.

So I think nobody is ready to handle these kinds of thoughts.

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    Everything you buy from a company he owns takes a cut to give to him.

    Not necessarily, as not all companies give dividents or buybacks. But let’s say they all do.

    Very few companies run at a loss for long. All profit is on the back of the workers, and if that isn’t returned to them, it is parasitism. Regardless if the owner takes dividends, or borrows against the increased value of their stocks, or any other enrichment of them, is at the expense of the laborer.

    I’ll mention that I’m not necessarily against it, but it is the central tenet of capitalism.

    The same argument applies to employees: they get a cut of a companies income? I think a fair deal: as long as they make something I want or need at a price I agree to I’ll buy it. Otherwise I won’t.

    Issue is, the labourer is doing the work, why aren’t they entitled to the value of that work? How come someone gets to just grab 20% to pay off those who don’t produce the same value?

    manipulate both your salary and cost of goods

    Not really, I’m self-employed. As to the price of goods, see the above. We manipulate it just as well. Other large manipulators are monetary policy and taxes.

    You don’t have any economic muscle against the big players in your market. Are you really pricing according to the cost of production? More probably you’re pricing close to market value, which you aren’t deciding on your own. The bigger fish have more say in that then you do, on both the demand and supply side.

    Monetary policy is a tool to affect the distribution of money, it does not itself extract or inject value.

    Taxes only extract value with corruption. All taxed money put into the commons, no matter how inefficiently, are for the public good and stimulation of the economy. The extraction comes with parasitism and hoarding which happens when individuals are enriched at the expense of others. This happens through corruption ofc, both in embezzlement, underdelivered value and exploitative cash flows.

    Amazon workers not being able to pee at work for a salary they can’t really live on seems another example.

    How’s that related to individual’s net worth? Customers will always want goods cheap, even if a company’s ownership is diluted to the point that each shareholder isn’t a billionair.

    Oh, it’s not about net worth. It’s meant to be an example where the owner class is extracting inhumane amounts of value from the employees. Making Bezos rich at the expense of both the employees and the rest of us having to bear the loss of years of quality life with the following reduced production, increased need of social and medical support, and extracted value.

    To summarise: Any money taken away from the people doing the work, directly or indirectly, is exploitation.

    I happen to think exploitation is unethical.

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      Oh, it’s not about net worth

      It is though. My original post was: I don’t care if there are high net worth individuals. Did you switcharoo my own opinion?

      There’s quite a few falsehoods in your comment, such as:

      Monetary policy is a tool to affect the distribution of money, it does not itself extract or inject value.

      Au contraire, it affects inflation, severily, and therefore the relative value of your savings and past work.

      Very few companies run at a loss for long

      The options for a company are not limited to divident/buyback vs run at a loss, as you seem to be implying.

      Taxes only extract value with corruption.

      So looking at history, it’s only a problem in every government that’s ever been?

      All profit is on the back of the workers

      Not necessarily. Examples: (a) How would you price a service like insurance? (b) how would you value the engineer of a new type of bicycle hub? He hasn’t left his computer, didn’t touch a single nail. © How should the inventor of a song be renumerated? Is the value created, that people are paying for, solely the network engineers at spotify?

      To summarise: Any money taken away from the people doing the work, directly or indirectly, is exploitation.

      I’m afraid that that’s a conclusion based on false arguments.

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        Then perhaps we are starting from different points, my model is basically that an economy is a closed system until either a) resources, innovation or performed work inputs more value or b) these are removed from circulation.

        Under that model inflation, services, taxes, are all value neutral for a certain scope of economy. Your private finances are of course going to be affected by taxes and inflation, but total world or even national economy not so much.

        To put it in simpler terms, all goods and services exchanged for money don’t change the economy as long as that money gets spent again.

        It’s a simplified model ofc, it doesn’t take into account for example moving value between countries/markets (how do we account for stuff sent into space? Or sent to other countries?).

        To help with understanding your perspective, could you kindly explain how high net worth individuals come to their situation within your model?