I don’t know where you got that opinion from. An echo chamber is an echo chamber and I think it’s a shame regardless of which flavour it is.
I’m here for open debate and freedom of expression, knowing that will mean having to see and read things I don’t like every now and again.
If other people want to block other users up to the point there’s no one else that has a different opinion to them, then they absolutely can do that but I thinks it’s just being an ostrich that sticks it’s head in the sand.
If nothing else, it’s practice for the next time you hear it, you can workout your arguments against it.
I also find it quite fascinating to try understanding other people, I already understand the reasoning behind my beliefs and already know what I know. Talking to someone different from me is much more interesting than talking to someone very similar to me.
That is good point. But it requires for them to want to engage in honest discussion and not just spew useless crap they have filled their heads with. And worst ones are incapable of that.
The only speech I don’t defend is hate speech. Everything else must be fair game, no matter how much I personally don’t like it or how much I disagree.
I feel like this is exactly the sort of thing that makes the guy on the right in the comic feel the way he does. Call enough random people Nazis as hyperbole and you can boy-who-cried-wolf your way into being ignored when they’re genuinely at it in full view (aka Musk the other day).
this is why facism should be redefined and renamed based on that definition, in my opinion. The whole concept has been saturated so badly you cant even use it anymore as is evident in what is happening.
Its more than just bunch of assholes doing and saying bad things, its like disease that spreads to vulnerable people after enough exposure. And i’m not saying its actually disease or taking control of people, human brains just work in such a way.
But if left unchecked it will lead to wars, atrocities and also likely destruction of our potential as intelligent beings. After they run out of outsiders to hate they will turn on eachother until there is nothing left. They also wont care about environment until its so far gone nothing can be done and planet cant sustain advanced enough civilization that can even leave it.
Kinda weird that its only an echo chamber when it leaves out the right.
I don’t know where you got that opinion from. An echo chamber is an echo chamber and I think it’s a shame regardless of which flavour it is.
I’m here for open debate and freedom of expression, knowing that will mean having to see and read things I don’t like every now and again.
If other people want to block other users up to the point there’s no one else that has a different opinion to them, then they absolutely can do that but I thinks it’s just being an ostrich that sticks it’s head in the sand.
Enlightened centrist?
I consider my self a lefty, but I think it’s important to consider all points of view, especially when I disagree with them.
That is good, but what value do they bring?
If nothing else, it’s practice for the next time you hear it, you can workout your arguments against it.
I also find it quite fascinating to try understanding other people, I already understand the reasoning behind my beliefs and already know what I know. Talking to someone different from me is much more interesting than talking to someone very similar to me.
That is good point. But it requires for them to want to engage in honest discussion and not just spew useless crap they have filled their heads with. And worst ones are incapable of that.
It usually doesn’t take long to work out if a discussion is going to be interesting/worth while or not, although some people can be deceiving!
You can consider the nazi point of view (do you really need to though?) without defending nazis’ right to spew their bullshit.
And let’s face it, even if lemmy was 100% leftists, the rest of the world is fascist as fuck so it’ll never be an echo chamber.
The only speech I don’t defend is hate speech. Everything else must be fair game, no matter how much I personally don’t like it or how much I disagree.
Fascism implies hate speech, and that’s what the “right” is all about in most countries right now.
I think that’s a broad brush to paint with and that the majority of people identifying with right wing politics are in reality rather moderate.
You could argue that the moderate right enable the extreme right but that’s a different debate.
I feel like this is exactly the sort of thing that makes the guy on the right in the comic feel the way he does. Call enough random people Nazis as hyperbole and you can boy-who-cried-wolf your way into being ignored when they’re genuinely at it in full view (aka Musk the other day).
this is why facism should be redefined and renamed based on that definition, in my opinion. The whole concept has been saturated so badly you cant even use it anymore as is evident in what is happening.
Its more than just bunch of assholes doing and saying bad things, its like disease that spreads to vulnerable people after enough exposure. And i’m not saying its actually disease or taking control of people, human brains just work in such a way.
But if left unchecked it will lead to wars, atrocities and also likely destruction of our potential as intelligent beings. After they run out of outsiders to hate they will turn on eachother until there is nothing left. They also wont care about environment until its so far gone nothing can be done and planet cant sustain advanced enough civilization that can even leave it.
Someone with the privilege of not belonging to a group that fascists wants to exterminate from the planet, apparently.