For the younger generation, yeah, probably, for us older folks, we still remember a time when America at least kept the veneer that we were better than Nazis.
Ima just post a comment I left on another morally nostalgic commenter:
Well, we started out with a genocide so terrible Hitler idolized it and called it “The First Great Cleansing”. Also, you ever seen this image from the 1940’s? It’s in Madison Square Garden.
Also, when did America join the fight against the axis powers? Oh, 2 years after the war began? Only after Pearl Harbor? You’d think a country so moral would join the fight against genocide quicker.
America was never a good, decent or moral country.
Henry Ford was a Nazi. Ringing any bells?
More questions for the American Moral Supremacists:
When were black people welcomed into the citizenship and regarded as equals?
Yeah, welcome to every fucking nation ever. Show me a nation that’s been completely and utter clean with no mass genocides or atrocities and I’ll show you a god damn unicorn that shits rainbows.
No one is going that America was a pristine fucking nation that has done no wrong outside of these Nazi Republicans but if you think that a single moment like this with these Nazis supporters being in the minority defined America even at that time, you need to read a history book. Also just because America was hesitant to join the war since you know the great depression, still reeling from WWI, among other factors doesn’t mean America was all “Go Nazis! Go!” that you’d like to paint America. Again, read a damn history book.
But hey, you feel free to think that America was always full of Nazis and never made any progress, there isn’t anything I can say that will change your mind about that anyways.
Regardless of what each of us thinks about the history of America, America’s got a very public, very vocal, and very much Nazis in power now and it’s going to suck.
Nice excuses. I won’t be making them though. Those excusals got America to where it is right now. Turn the other cheek, nothing is bad because everything is bad. No progress, no looking back.
Anyone whose country suffered through a period of fascist dictatorship will tell you that that making children swear the pledge of allegiance thing was fascist as fuck, and that’s just the tip of the shitberg.
That alleged veneer was gossamer thin at its thickest.
There’s not really one clean cut definition of fascism, mostly a lot of “I know it when I see it”
That being said, one definition I find kinda useful is; “Fascism is what we call it when an imperial power begins applying colonial policies to itself; the frontier comes home.” Germany had already been organizing concentration camps in northern Africa years before they started rounding up Jewish people. As a colonial power, Germany always had fascist policies, they were just directed outward.
By this metric, it’s hard not to see the US as a fascist power for… most of the latter half of the twentieth century? Obviously, outright colonization isn’t the standard anymore. It’s mostly mediated through international businesses, propped up by the occasional secretly-funded coup or even an outright military invasion. Those of us living within the official boarders of the US have just been privileged enough to not have to live with the negative consequences.
For the younger generation, yeah, probably, for us older folks, we still remember a time when America at least kept the veneer that we were better than Nazis.
Ima just post a comment I left on another morally nostalgic commenter:
Well, we started out with a genocide so terrible Hitler idolized it and called it “The First Great Cleansing”. Also, you ever seen this image from the 1940’s? It’s in Madison Square Garden.
Also, when did America join the fight against the axis powers? Oh, 2 years after the war began? Only after Pearl Harbor? You’d think a country so moral would join the fight against genocide quicker.
America was never a good, decent or moral country.
Henry Ford was a Nazi. Ringing any bells?
More questions for the American Moral Supremacists:
When were black people welcomed into the citizenship and regarded as equals?
When did women get access to bank accounts?
What happened to the buffalo?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States
Yeah, welcome to every fucking nation ever. Show me a nation that’s been completely and utter clean with no mass genocides or atrocities and I’ll show you a god damn unicorn that shits rainbows.
No one is going that America was a pristine fucking nation that has done no wrong outside of these Nazi Republicans but if you think that a single moment like this with these Nazis supporters being in the minority defined America even at that time, you need to read a history book. Also just because America was hesitant to join the war since you know the great depression, still reeling from WWI, among other factors doesn’t mean America was all “Go Nazis! Go!” that you’d like to paint America. Again, read a damn history book.
But hey, you feel free to think that America was always full of Nazis and never made any progress, there isn’t anything I can say that will change your mind about that anyways.
Regardless of what each of us thinks about the history of America, America’s got a very public, very vocal, and very much Nazis in power now and it’s going to suck.
Could your point be shortened to “what about it”? I think so…
Nice excuses. I won’t be making them though. Those excusals got America to where it is right now. Turn the other cheek, nothing is bad because everything is bad. No progress, no looking back.
Just anger, right now.
Shoo pigeon, I don’t want to play chess with you.
Anyone whose country suffered through a period of fascist dictatorship will tell you that that making children swear the pledge of allegiance thing was fascist as fuck, and that’s just the tip of the shitberg.
That alleged veneer was gossamer thin at its thickest.
You weren’t fooling anyone outside your borders.
There’s not really one clean cut definition of fascism, mostly a lot of “I know it when I see it”
That being said, one definition I find kinda useful is; “Fascism is what we call it when an imperial power begins applying colonial policies to itself; the frontier comes home.” Germany had already been organizing concentration camps in northern Africa years before they started rounding up Jewish people. As a colonial power, Germany always had fascist policies, they were just directed outward.
By this metric, it’s hard not to see the US as a fascist power for… most of the latter half of the twentieth century? Obviously, outright colonization isn’t the standard anymore. It’s mostly mediated through international businesses, propped up by the occasional secretly-funded coup or even an outright military invasion. Those of us living within the official boarders of the US have just been privileged enough to not have to live with the negative consequences.
Or you could use Umberto Eco’s “Ur Fascism” definition.