• @Zacharoni
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    52 days ago

    You can substitute for the universe, the program and people in it, or nature and I’d say it still works. Just how you frame prayer or meditation. One of the definitions of prayer is a solemn request. The purpose of having “God” in the 12 steps is to have a belief in something “greater” than yourself. To me the group of alcoholics who got me sober is something “greater” than myself because I truly couldn’t do it alone. The prayer and meditation can just be used almost as a manifesting of intention. If I pray that I be more tolerant patient and kind to those around me, than that’s more likely to be on my mind whether I’m intentionally sending that prayer to a deity, the universe, nature, or the idea of the group as a whole. I say this as a 12 stepper myself that is non religious. That being said a lot of people use God or a deity as a higher power, but just saying it’s certainly not a requirement.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      22 days ago

      No. You can’t. Because those make no sense when you rewrite it.

      Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with the universe as we understood it, praying only for knowledge of its will for us and the power to carry that out.

      The universe only has a will if you’re not an atheist.

      Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with the program and people in it as we understood them, praying only for knowledge of their will for us and the power to carry that out.

      This only makes sense if you think praying to a group will make them force you to do something. Which is nonsense.

      • @Zacharoni
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        12 days ago

        ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Hey, I guess I’m wrong, but it’s been working for me when nothing else has.

        • Flying SquidOP
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          02 days ago

          If it works for you, great. As I said a while ago.