Been at this company for 4 months as a data engineer. When I started their codebase was a mess. All the code was in one folder with subfolders, the scripts were dependent on one another even if they didn’t share the domain problem, their version control was “call the IT guy to grab the backup”. In the first few months I set up a Github organization for them, put all their code into a git repo to start version control, got them to install and use IDEs instead of just VS Code, refactored some of the codebase to use SOLID standards, automated some tasks, transitioned them to a new Snowflake warehouse, and fixed several issues that was breaking their workflow. Today the CEO told me that this is an at-will state and he let me go. Didn’t explain why, just asked for the equipment back.
I didn’t get any write-ups, no one complained about my work, I was always looking for improvements, even the CEO thanked me a couple months ago for writing a word document to my managers on how I think the team can make improvements. They actually followed that doc and have been happy with it. This came from nowhere because no one brought any complaints. Today I am lost. I just need to vent and let this out.
Contact an employment lawyer. Yes in at-will states they can fire you, but for any legal reason. If they just fired you for “no reason” then something fishy is going on for sure.
No reason is a legal reason, unfortunately.
Damn america fucking sucks, OP just come up north bud we have maple syrup
American here, you Canadians are amazing and I hope you guys continue to make us look bad, it’s good for competition and keeps our politicians sweating.
As if they were able to compare themselves and learn anything.
Was going to say this myself. Our politicians don’t care. They have the power they want.
I don’t think that they are capable of sweating
Ontario is also “at will”. I think a lot of Canada is, if I remember right.
As a german, what the f is even at will? They can fire you whenever they want for whatever reason they want? How are you all living like this?
Pretty much, at-will means the employee can quit for no reason and/or be dismissed for no reason.
I wouldn’t call it “living” either…
Copious propaganda, debt, and distraction.
This is wrong.
Any employer anywhere can fire you for a legal reason. Employers in at-will states can fire employees for no reason. In fact, that is the main practical distinction of at-will states in this regard, it’s what “at will” means.
Even in an at-will state, an employer can still not fire you for an explicitly illegal reason, but unless they are stupid enough to tell you (it happens), good luck proving that it was for an illegal reason.
@OP, sure contact an employment lawyer, but ask if they provide a first consultation for free. I would not actually pay for a lawyer if I were you unless I were much more certain that there is a chance of success.
Thanks for more clarifying info.
I won’t be contacting an attorney because I don’t think I have a case. They would not give a reason why I was let go, only that we have to go our separate ways and the people I can contact within the organization cannot get answers from them.
It kind of sounds like they just used you until they didn’t think they needed you anymore, which is unfortunate. I hope you find a better place to go.
You have it backwards. They can’t fire you for an illegal reason. These are known as protected classes. But they can fire you for any reason that’s not protected. And “no reason” isn’t protected, so it’s legal.
For the curious, the protected classes are: Race, color, religion or creed, national origin or ancestry, sex (including gender identity, pregnancy, and sexual orientation), age, or disability.
So you can’t fire someone for being black, but you can fire them because you don’t like the way they smell, because you don’t like their personality, because their favorite color is purple, or just because you feel like it. As long as you don’t say you’re firing them for one of those illegal reasons, it’ll be very hard for them to sue.
And employers know this, so they almost always list it as “no reason” to avoid any potential lawsuits from words getting twisted against them. For instance, maybe you fire someone because you don’t like the way they smell, but then they try and twist that into “you fired me because I smell like curry, and therefore you fired me for my race.” So to avoid anything potentially being used against them, they’ll simply list it as “no cause.” Unless the firing was for cause, (which basically means you fucked up while working there,) and they want to avoid paying your unemployment insurance. In those cases, they’ll build a case against you, then fire you once they have a binder full of real/imagined company policy violations to throw at you.
The only way OP would be able to sue is if they’re able to prove a pattern of behavior against a protected class from the employer. For instance, maybe a new manager gets hired, then every single black person gets fired within the next few weeks. If those workers come together, they can show a pattern of behavior that the manager is racist and fired them for being black, even though the manager didn’t explicitly state that the firing was due to racism. But that’s hard to prove and requires a lot of documentation on the employees’ part.