• @Doomsider
    link
    0
    edit-2
    1 day ago

    Everything you said was pretty much nonsense. Societies that have tackled gender inequality see much better representation of women in leadership roles as well as jobs that have traditionally been seen as male dominated.

    “In dismantling historically male domains in the state and military, Norway ranks among the world’s trendsetters. Women have served as the head of state for more than 40 percent of the years since 1981”

    “In Norway the national average for women working in the construction industry is 35%”

    “According to recently released data from the U.S. Census Bureau, only 11.5% of payroll employees in the construction industry are women”

    You have no facts to speak of and it is clear you think sexism is status quo. Ignoring the problem is not a solution and is directly responsible for the attacks on woman’s rights in the US.

    There is a reason women make less in comparable private sector jobs, have their bodily autonomy violated, and don’t have basic necessities taken care of like maternal leave.

    • ObjectivityIncarnate
      link
      01 day ago

      Everything you said was pretty much nonsense.

      I quoted “gender equality paradox” for a reason. It is a real thing, not some concept I conceived of–It has a Wikipedia entry, for fuck’s sake. I’ll quote the first paragraph, but please stop being so intellectually lazy and actually look up the whole thing yourself, instead of wallowing in your haughty condescension:

      The gender-equality paradox is the finding that various gender differences in personality and occupational choice are larger in more gender equal countries. Larger differences are found in Big Five personality traits, Dark Triad traits, self-esteem, depression, personal values, occupational and educational choices. This phenomenon is seemingly paradoxical because one would expect the differences to be reduced as countries become more gender egalitarian.[1] Such a paradox has been discussed by numerous studies ranging from science, mathematics, reading, personality traits, basic human values and vocational interests.

      You have no facts to speak of

      No facts you’re willing to admit exist, despite being both present and easily-accessible, you mean. You can’t will them out of existence, no matter how much you wish you could.

      and it is clear you think sexism is status quo

      No, what’s clear is that you assume any sex disparity is caused by sexism, the sociological version of the creationist’s ‘god of the gaps’ argument, where God is similarly conveniently spackled into any crevice not already filled.

      • @Doomsider
        link
        0
        edit-2
        18 hours ago

        Listen, citing a theory on Wikipedia which was disproven by the statistics I shared is not proof of anything. Your thought pattern is eerily similar to the justifications used against suffrage and women’s right to vote.

        The paradox is not a paradox at all. Cultural indoctrination explains why this happens. It is clear that you are using this theory to justify sexism in your mind. This is the only lazy thinking that is happening here.

        I will reiterate you have no facts only an easily disproven theory. A theory that cites pseudo-science like personality types. While entertaining it is no different than other asinine postulations like astrology.

        I won’t even entertain how stupid you get with the gods of gap nonsense. You have no foundation in understanding sexism which is painfully obvious. I would highly suggest reading up on sexism so you can have a real discussion about this in the future.

        https://eige.europa.eu/publications-resources/toolkits-guides/sexism-at-work-handbook/part-1-understand/where-does-sexism-come?language_content_entity=en

        https://www.bu.edu/antiracism-center/files/2022/06/Sexism.pdf

        https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-oppression/

        • ObjectivityIncarnate
          link
          0
          edit-2
          10 hours ago

          citing a theory

          It’s not a “theory”, it was what the research found. It just doesn’t confirm your biases, so you strain your wrist with how hard you desperately try to handwave it out of existence. Ironically another similarity to the young earth creationist playbook: “evolution is just a theory”, lol.

          pseudo-science like personality types no different than other asinine postulations like astrology

          LMAO, better let Nature know you know better what real science is. What a hack journal, right?

          Incredible.

          Facts:

          • Scandinavia is more egalitarian than the US re sex. In other words, less sexism overall.
          • To mention just two examples, the skew of men over women in engineering, and the skew of women over men in nursing, are both STEEPER in Scandinavia than in the US.

          Explain how, if sexism is the reason for the skew in the first place, it can be that less sexism widens the gap. Be specific.

          • @Doomsider
            link
            0
            edit-2
            8 hours ago

            You don’t even know it is a theory… I am dumbfounded.

            “The construction industry continues to be predominately male with structures and norms that impede women from pursuing careers within the industry. As mentioned above, the SCB (2019) report showed that the construction industry in Sweden consists of only 11 per cent women.”

            You are so full of shit it is not even funny.

            I think we are done pretending you know anything.

            • ObjectivityIncarnate
              link
              0
              edit-2
              3 hours ago

              lol…do you sink in mercury?

              the construction industry in Sweden consists of only 11 per cent women."

              Meanwhile, in the US:

              According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, approximately 14% of construction workers [are] female.

              Oh, look at that, it’s exactly what I just said: the country with MORE gender equality overall, Sweden, has the LARGER gender skew. Construction is MORE male-dominated in Sweden than in the US.


              So, once more:

              Explain how, if sexism is the reason for the gap in the first place, it can be that less sexism leads to a wider gap (which you just unwittingly proved is the case). Be specific.

              • @Doomsider
                link
                0
                edit-2
                3 hours ago

                Sweden is still a sexist society that is not attempting to deal with that issue just like the US. Although their laws are way better, culturally they still have a long way to go. Please see Norway for a country actually trying to dismantle sexism.

                So once more you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. Hell, you probably can’t even define sexism.

                "* Although Sweden is considered progressive, some argue that subtle forms of sexism can still exist in workplaces or social interactions, like gender stereotypes about appearance or leadership roles.

                • Representation in certain fields:

                  While overall gender equality is high, some industries might still show imbalances in gender representation, particularly in leadership positions."

                • ObjectivityIncarnate
                  link
                  12 hours ago

                  Sweden is still a sexist society

                  Nobody said there was zero sexism in Sweden. I’m talking in relative terms. All that’s needed to make my point is for Sweden to be less sexist than the US. And it is–in fact, it’s top 4 in the world on gender equality indexes.

                  The fact, again, is that countries that are more egalitarian re sex have been found to exhibit, as was just evidenced, steeper sex skews in the workforce, than less egalitarian countries.

                  This roundly refutes the assumption that sexism is the primary cause of the skew’s existence. If it was, reducing sexism would narrow the gap, not widen it.

                  I realize this fact doesn’t confirm your biases, but it is the fact of the matter nonetheless.

                  • @Doomsider
                    link
                    1
                    edit-2
                    2 hours ago

                    Culturally Sweden may be more or less sexist than the US. As you demonstrated apparently when it comes to the construction field the US is less sexist than Sweden.

                    I have already provided evidence in the form of Norway that disputes your pet theory. So it is clear it is not universal and certainly not the law you think it is.

                    You really don’t understand sexism or the cultural indoctrination that causes it. You conflate progressive laws with sexism itself which, I have already said, is nonsensical. Having progressive laws does not suddenly end sexism.

                    I realize that you have probably never confronted you bias and recognized you are a sexist human being like I have.