This is a failure of communication. Why wasn’t air traffic control made awhere of the military aircraft? This was a 100% avoidable incident. People need to be put on trial for incompetence, negligence, I bet their is a protocol to follow to avoid such incidents, I bet it wasn’t followed under Trump’s america. Tragic to the magnitude of maximum. This was 100% avoidable.
In general, the aviation industry doesn’t assign individual “fault” the way many do. It’s taken as a collective responsibility. It seems at this stage that there’s a lot of responsibility on the helo pilot, but there’s also some communication ambiguity. Let’s let the pros do their work and not jump to conclusions.
ATC had contact with the helicopter. They advised it of the regional jet and asked them to confirm they could see it. The helicopter replied that they had it in sight and asked for permission to maintain visual separation, which was granted, and they were advised to fly behind it. Essentially that means the helicopter advised they could see it, and would ensure they avoided it. About 5 seconds later they flew into it.
Before anyone says that it was crazy for the aircraft to just be told to avoid the other one, that is absolutely normal ATC operation, for aircraft in relatively close proximity to be told to be aware of each other and to maintain visual separation. If there was a failing, or room for improvement here, it was that ATC didn’t tell the regional jet about the helicopter (they were on two different frequencies - quite normal for helicopters to be on a different one)
In my keyboard-expert opinion, the pilot of the helicopter identified something he thought was the regional jet and moved to avoid it, and the angles that the two aircraft were approaching each other from would have made it very difficult for either of them to see each other, especially at night.
Read the article. The person you want to put on trial is dead.
And all of trumps “changes” have hardly taken effect yet. Unless the helo piolot was a transgender pilot that was intentionally committing suicide, this one isn’t on trump. But don’t worry, there will be no shortage of things to blame on trump for at least the next decade.
This is a failure of communication. Why wasn’t air traffic control made awhere of the military aircraft? This was a 100% avoidable incident. People need to be put on trial for incompetence, negligence, I bet their is a protocol to follow to avoid such incidents, I bet it wasn’t followed under Trump’s america. Tragic to the magnitude of maximum. This was 100% avoidable.
RIP to all on those flights.
VASAviation has the raw ATC audio. If you’re not used to listening to ATC, read the comments for interpretation. Lots of experienced folk there.
In general, the aviation industry doesn’t assign individual “fault” the way many do. It’s taken as a collective responsibility. It seems at this stage that there’s a lot of responsibility on the helo pilot, but there’s also some communication ambiguity. Let’s let the pros do their work and not jump to conclusions.
they were aware and made several attempts. the failure is with the military ignoring the tower.
ATC had contact with the helicopter. They advised it of the regional jet and asked them to confirm they could see it. The helicopter replied that they had it in sight and asked for permission to maintain visual separation, which was granted, and they were advised to fly behind it. Essentially that means the helicopter advised they could see it, and would ensure they avoided it. About 5 seconds later they flew into it.
Before anyone says that it was crazy for the aircraft to just be told to avoid the other one, that is absolutely normal ATC operation, for aircraft in relatively close proximity to be told to be aware of each other and to maintain visual separation. If there was a failing, or room for improvement here, it was that ATC didn’t tell the regional jet about the helicopter (they were on two different frequencies - quite normal for helicopters to be on a different one)
In my keyboard-expert opinion, the pilot of the helicopter identified something he thought was the regional jet and moved to avoid it, and the angles that the two aircraft were approaching each other from would have made it very difficult for either of them to see each other, especially at night.
Remotely controlled helicopter needs no regard for commands from Air Traffic Control.
Read the article. The person you want to put on trial is dead. And all of trumps “changes” have hardly taken effect yet. Unless the helo piolot was a transgender pilot that was intentionally committing suicide, this one isn’t on trump. But don’t worry, there will be no shortage of things to blame on trump for at least the next decade.